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Posted Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:23 PM

The Clinton Effect

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Supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton are planning to voice their discontent outside the Democratic National Convention, as if anyone was surprised. Me? I think it’s important that the Clintonites get their say, but I don’t know if the convention is the place or time for it. But that’s why we live in a democracy: so people can lunch-out whenever they get a mind to. I wonder how, or if, Sen. Barack Obama will deal with their discontent. Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned: we know this going in. We’ve not seen it from Hillary, but we may see it on the convention floor. I don’t know that People United Means Action will be able to scrape together more than a few heads, but it won’t take that many folks to start a brouhaha on national television.

 

I’m surprised I haven’t heard more women’s group getting ready to picket. Up to this point, Obama’s been a political pin-up, but choosing Sen. Joe Biden as a running mate has put him on the other side: he’s The Man now, the enemy, seemingly using his male privilege to hold down yet another sister in the struggle. Not that I buy that, but I do think Clinton was unfairly looked-over and set-aside early in the game, and I don’t know how or if he will ultimately reconcile that fact with the voting public. It’s going to talk more than the famous Clinton Mouthpeice, skinning and grinning in Denver to make this all better. Clinton may be willing to slow her roll to know her role, but her supporters want nothing less than the White House. They won’t go quietly, and disruption and dissent at political conventions historically bodes badly for the greater good.

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Posted By: 10 G's (August 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM)

Most of the voters I've talked to don't hold Hilary in such high esteem, and from listening to TV commentaries, the "old boy" network in Washington does'nt either. Obama will weather this Hilary storm. Unless Hilary is going to jump ship and turn Republican, her support must be for Obama. If she goes against him at the Convention, she risk losing Democratic support for future political races.


Posted By: SilenceISGolden (August 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM)

That's what makes this country great... people are free to say what they want.  The media is blowing this out of proportion.  I barely heard a peep about the anti-war rally this weekend.

Anyway, I guarantee if Obama paid the Clinton's $24 million debt, none of this would be happening.  Clinton knew that she wasn't going to be VP when she started talking about "waiting for assignations" , “shame on you” (when her advisors meet with Canadian and Colombian officials about trade agreements )and having the "white vote" in WV.  Plus , didn't Bill go on Rush Limbaugh's radio show to solicit votes after Rush encouraged Republicans to vote as Democrats in Texas.  Didn't Hillary say she wanted to "Obliterate Iran" when 80% of the country was sick of War.

Can someone tell me one negative thing Obama said about Hillary?.... still waiting …. Anything?

All that being said, I hope the Clintons take this opportunity to show that they are adults and not purely political.


Posted By: da5id (August 25, 2008 at 4:04 PM)

I do not understand why Hillary Clinton is allowing this mess.  It could not happen without her tacit approval.  She is seriously jeopardizing Obama's chances in the general election.  Her supporters are making the election of McCain more likely than it should be.  Even though she ran a losing and incompetent campaign she campaigned long after her mathematical chances were slim to none.  When her mathematical chances were at zero, she was campaigning in Puerto Rico.  I am watching CNN right now with one of the on screen polls: "Is it possible that not picking Hillary Clinton as a running mate could cost Barack Obama the election?"  Just as fair question is if Barack Obama does not win the general election, will it be the fault of Hillary Clinton?

Americans well understand the concepts of winning and losing.  Obama won and Clinton lost.  I have never seen such a disconnect between those concepts in politics in my life.


Posted By: rastaman (August 25, 2008 at 4:34 PM)

I thought Bill Clinton did a wonderful job as president.  However its going to take me a long time to get over HRC "Hardworking white people comment".    Not after all the hard working non-white people who have carried water for her and her husband politically.   I don't know if she is tacitly supporting the undermining of Obama's candidacy.  But I have concluded that many who are in opposition  are using her "candidacy" as a shield for  what is ultimately their innate racism.  

One of the things she should do in her speech is disavow those individuals as true supporters and paint them for the real villans they are.  If she does it will work towards redemption in my judgement, although i will not hold my breath waiting for that to unfold.  

The basic question that will decide this election is whether Americans, primarily white americans will choose to sacrifice their and their children's economic futures in order to serve their worst urges.  

Because no matter how you slice it that is the choice: more of the same or change?

To paraphrase the late George Carlin, take the average person you know and then consider that half the people in the country are less intelligent that person.

Scary thought isn't it!!


Posted By: Craig (August 25, 2008 at 5:08 PM)

A vote for McCain in '08 is a vote for Hillary in '12.  McCain will only be a one termer.  This will allow Hillary to step into the White House in '12.  If Obama is elected (and that's a big if') he'll also only be a one termer; he'll mirror the Jimmy Carter fiasco.  In fact, similar to the Carter disaster, its quite possible that following an Obama defeat in '12 that there'll be multiple GOP presidents thereafter.  

Obama's defeat in '08 will be a strategic defeat for the Democrats.  


Posted By: JrzGrl (August 25, 2008 at 6:33 PM)

One of the great things about Obama is that his message has reached across boundaries. A lot of people I know who are actually registered Republicans are planning to vote for him. Adding Hillary to the ticket would send elsewhere in a Jiffy and it would also mobilize disinterested conservative voters for McCain. She's a divisive figure, in my opinion. And as a 30-something white female, I don't see why the heck everyone assumed I would vote for her. Obama speaks to my generation. I admire his story, and I identify with his worldview. Hillary doesn't really do it for me. She is an achiever, but she's far too calculating. She's where she is because of Bill. It's not sexist to say that.


Posted By: MilesEllison (August 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM)

The pro-Hillary women can protest all they want, maybe even derail Obama's election. But when McCain wins, and his coalition of intolerance reduces them to barefoot, pregnant second class citizens, they should get nothing but a barrage of 'I-told-you-sos' when the worm turns.  I, personally, will have no tolerance for their complaints at that point.    


Posted By: snapdiva (August 26, 2008 at 1:44 AM)

Will the Clinton supporters have to demonstrate in the special "demonstration cages" set up for the other activists (global warming, those against multinationals, peace activists).  If so, that will make for VERY INTERESTING bedfellows:)


Posted By: deedeedum (August 26, 2008 at 10:39 AM)

Perhaps part of the reason why there aren't more woman picketing is that many recognize that Hillary's campaign is over and they've kept it moving.  America had it's say and the call didn't go to Hillary this time.  She wasn't cheated out of an election.  She wasn't banned from gathering votes because she was a woman.  If there had been an outcry in the land for her, enough people would have voted for her that we'd be waiting for her to take the podium as the nominee.  That being said, this is America and people have the right to agree or disagree with the opinion of others.  If her supporters aren't happy, they have the right to say so and to vote their hearts in November.

Though I respect your right to your opinion, I have to wonder about the downright gleeful way that you seem to dismiss the whole "brouhaha" as a kind of female hysteria or revenge reflex.  There has always been protest and dissent of one kind or another at the convention.  Funny, when men do it they're voicing their displeasure.  When women do it, it's a woman scorned.  It will be a happy day in America when political discourse is raised to a more mature level.


Posted By: Dantresomi (August 26, 2008 at 2:32 PM)

I think Clinton and Obama already discussed the VP situation way before it became big news. I think deals were already made (if we all remember correctly). I think Clinton supporters should ask Clinton herself about it.


Posted By: orlkon (August 26, 2008 at 5:48 PM)

The issue has never been about Hillary and the VP position.  This whole issue is about the Clintons wanting to maintain control of the Democratic Party!  Control the party and you control future political candidates.  Control the party and you control the "get-out-the-vote" apparatus.


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Posted By: davidjkelly (August 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM)

I think people are missing the bigger picture when it comes to still wanting Hilary to be the democratic nominee. If change is going to happen then I am all for it. The less fortunate people have suffered too much with the Bush era. I don't mean the people who do nothing and get checks for sitting around. I mean the hardworking people like Teachers, construction workers, all the people like that who need support. I'm almost positive that the other democrats are not going to let Obama fail, because if he does, the entire party fails as a whole. We all know when one of the democratic party members fails, so does the entire party and it takes years to build the confidence back up amongst the world.


Posted By: bev9 (August 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM)

NO matter what my senator clinton says a lot of voters is just not going to vote Im one of them .because sen clinton was given a unfair play 18, mil is a lot of voters i feel that we as voters our voices was not heard she was the best person for the job even as vice pres experience does matter.did the male club played the gender game on sen clinton.


Posted By: corey79 (August 28, 2008 at 1:57 PM)

bev9...i have a question...

yes 18mil is a lot of voters...

but 18mil and 1 is more...

why be mad at Obama when it's the system...fight the system...

you are a voter/citizen...we are supposed to be in control...

(just as we should be charging some of Georges buddies for treason...)

the system says Obama won...fire your delegates...or hunt down others...

actually...fire the legislatures in Florida and Michigan...

rules are rules...and when broken, you pay the price...or in this case Hillary supporters do...

I am not trying to be a jerk...seriously, i'm not...

to be honest...maybe ya'll should start your own party...

this is embarrassing (to be an American)...

this is the problem with giving every kid a trophy or a coach not being allowed to cut players...

people lose...or things end...it's life...

we are so damn supersensitive that it's embarrasing...

how 'bout this anology...(hillary supporters this is off topic, but fits the bill here)

Kobe lost in the NBA Finals...

Kobe had to regroup and get ready for the next challenge...

Kobe helped his Olympic team win the gold...

think about that Hillary supporters...

help your new team...team obama...

help them win the gold...

i am truly not being a jerk...

i'm not even a democrat...

i like Obama...but i would probably had voted for hillary (most dems think alike...just as most Repubs do...duh)

I also understand that elections are popularity contests...

( would have really like to hear more from Biden and Ron Paul...)

and the most important issue is to understand how our gov't works...and how politcs work...

Obama can not do it hisself...and neither could have Hillary...

it's a process...and yeah...we should have control...

BUT DEMOCRACY ONLY WORKS...OR IS ONLY AS EFFECTIVE AS THE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING WITHIN IT...(and we don't...and now ya'll won't either...)

please people...

let's make an attempt to see past our own noses...at least for once...


Posted By: devildog95 (August 29, 2008 at 10:24 AM)

If you are still asleep please wake up and smell the coffee. Obama is just another salesman/politician. He could probably sale ice to eskimos and make them believe it is better than PB&J sandwiches. I think he has already learned to talk out of both sides of his mouth without moving his lips and people believe what he is saying. Unfortunately he doesn't believe what he is saying. The only one that is fooled by the words he speaks are the general public. He is like a puppet that reads what others write and can relay it to the public like a preacher in church.  He says that he is against the war and wants to pull the troops back but comes out and says he wants to start sending troops (if elected) to another country to fight another war.  OBAMA- OSAMA....BIDEN- BIN LADEN.... makes you wonder why he chose Biden.


Posted By: GRRobinson (August 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM)

I am a 71 year old Black woman who is also a nurse. In my workplace over a fifty year span I have had all white female supervisors and "bosses". I am not impressed with any one woman . Nancy Pelosi is a woman and she has power. Many women are in power in this country and it is crazy to think that no one but women should be in a position of power in this country. The elements of organization , creativity , outreach ,intergenerational inclusion won this leg of the political sweepstakes. The Clinton's  position in history has already been established and the opportunities blown by this bright ,Southern based , supported by most Black folk  couple was way laid by individual activity of the leader. I felt disappointed and angry. I know God's forgiveness for my sins and President Clinton did treat the issue as a sin. I do not think that putting them back in the ultimate leadership position is owed to them.

I'm glad that the same kind of opportunity that The Williams sisters, Michael Jordan, and numerous other current excellent executers of their craft is being taken by the Chicago Senator who had the guts to take advantage of it. Harold Washington was one of the persons He saw at work and who made a difference in the city. I am truly thankful of the agency of Mr. Obama.

In the mental health community when analysis of a situation requiring  change to attain healthy

wholesome relationships we prescribe self- definition and behavioral change. Persons who want to be connected will change when you change. If not they will leave and you've prepared yourself for that event.

To self -definition and personal power for all.

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