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Posted Friday, July 25, 2008 3:55 PM

Disney: Black to the Drawing Board

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Disney is set to release an animated feature with its first black heroine, called The Frog Princess, sometime near Christmas of 2009, and there are apparent snags holding up production. Not everyone is happy with the storyline, because it’s set in New Orleans and Disney’s first black heroine is—wait for it---a maid, who practices voodoo.

 

Holy Crap.

 

I can see why people are upset, but I think some are setting their expectations too high. Already there have been criticism that the feature panders to stereotypes and doesn’t the magical qualities of Disney tales of yore. Before we get all mushy, let’s keep in mind that many of those Disney Tales of yore were a more than a little racially insensitive, and I don’t know why would we expect Princess to be any different.

 

Disney films, from Song of the South to Jungle Book to Aladdin and many more in between are not known for their accurate portrayal of colored folks. Seems the way to circumvent that would be for a black animation company to simply produce their own Disney-like cartoons, so that there could be a more culturally balanced approach. Unfortunately, while there are a few ethno-centric ‘toons, no black animation companies with Disney power come to mind, so we’re stuck. The truth to tell, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. I have a daughter, so it is important to me for her to see images that reflect her beauty. But I’m careful to reinforce the idea that she should be comfortable in her skin— I don’t see that as Disney’s job. Their job is to make movies and make money. Even with the best of intentions, you can’t reasonably expect them to get the black experience right on the first try….can you?

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Posted By: ch555x (July 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM)

Do for self and quit waiting on mainstream companies such as Disney to get the stories right.  


Posted By: Folic Pollen (July 25, 2008 at 10:18 AM)

It is not surprising that Disney would produce animated films such as this and use Black actors as voice overs to do it, however, Disney knows all to well what it is doing. Reguardless of the animation, a accurate portryal would be nice, Hell, when you look at other films and publications on colored folks, and accurate portrayal is the only thing thats missing! Yet I hardley think that a Black animation company would achieve those results. In my opinion, when subject matter as sensitive as this is displayed, it is always skewed an tailored toward the stereotype. During WWII animation and cartoons always portrayed the Germans and vicious and blood thirsty, yet bumbling and stupid. After veiwing  one of those early cartoons, it's hard to believe that this race of people built the Mercedes Benz and the B.M.W. They also portrayed the Japanese in this poor light as well. Besides the influence of the producer of the film, the advertisers also have a lot to do with the content of the production. If they don't like the content, they will pull the advertising dollars for these programs. In my opinion, if we want to change the way Black people are portrayed in movies and animations, we as Black people, and that includes Black Actors and producers must maintain and fight for truth and accuracy in publication. As it stands right now, Blacks actors and producers are in fear of not being paid if they produce pro Black material that accurately depicts or breaks down racial stereotypes. We have a lot of talented Black film makers, yet their films and productions alway show the worst in Black people, and their communities. No wonder the world veiws us as a hopeless case and a lost cause.


Posted By: Patra (July 25, 2008 at 12:40 PM)

How about those African Americans who have the talent, insight and desire, tell our stories.


Posted By: Dantresomi (July 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM)

thank you J.I.

we have to create our own and promote our own.


Posted By: ecarden (July 25, 2008 at 6:10 PM)

If your complaint is that it's cliched, or just bad, thats fine. If your complaint is that she's a maid, then I'd point out that Disney only has one story for their 'princess' brand of movies. The female main character falls for a male character who is either much higher (Cinderella) or much lower (Alladin) than her and spends the entire movie trying to figure out how to  marry him.


Posted By: ecarden (July 25, 2008 at 6:11 PM)

the word missing in my post was 'status.' Much higher or lower STATUS. Whoops.


Posted By: SilenceISGolden (July 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM)

I guess I have to read/hear about the entire plot first.  Maybe she becomes a millionaire and saves the day.   However, if she goes from being a maid to a prostitute... I've got a problem.  

I think Voodoo plays well into the theme of New Orleans.  At least it is a start.


Posted By: MilesEllison (July 25, 2008 at 7:16 PM)

Dignified, intelligent images of black people that don't rely on riduculous stereotypes?  Where's the money in that?  If the likes of Tyler Perry, BET, and the Rap video community are incapable of troweling out anything other than stereotypical crap, why should you expect Disney to be any different?  


Posted By: jnapps (July 25, 2008 at 9:32 PM)

Point taken, Jimi,

Since you brought up the subject of money. I would be interested in knowing what percent of black movie gowers buy tickets to see these film, if its significant, it becomes a marketing issue. and a big media company never  wants to piss off any part of its core demographic. On the other hand kicking up a stink did get more black actors into the Pirates of the Caribbean Im sure at Disney Animation there are still some dinosaurs left who long for the good ole days of Black Face make up

and "Lil Black Sambo," a book I remember from elementary school.(dating my self) It is still part of our invividual and collective obligation to be vigilant and let "Main Stream America", know when thier getting it wrong


Posted By: caroaber (July 25, 2008 at 11:34 PM)

Selena Gomez is poised to be the next Miley Cyrus. Raven Symone has done well as a Disney performer, but she is aging out of their demographic, and has committed the unpardonable offense of getting heavy. And I haven't seen any Black males emerge (a la "Good Burger" which launched Kenan and Kel) as stand-alone performers.

Animation is well and good, but must Black actors  always be relegated to playing "buddy" roles? (Yeah, that's you, Corbin Bleu.)  And Christmas 2009 is a long way off. They're already churning out the third "High School Musical." I appreciate that Disney is trying to engage Black people (and keep them coming to their expensive theme parks), but I don't get the sense that anyone's treating this project as a top priority.


Posted By: reinadelaz (July 26, 2008 at 2:56 AM)

Oh! Jimi, the world would be a better place if all parents accepted parental responsibility as you do! God bless you. As for Disney, I think parents of black children in the US have enough with which to contend, without the influence of the company who gave us Brittney Spears and Lindsey Lohan.


Posted By: hockeyrules (July 26, 2008 at 9:05 AM)

Shoot!  WE can't even define and/or discern who we are a people, so how and why would we expect Disney to?!


Posted By: womanistmusings (July 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM)

If you are going to make a movie about black people it would behoove you to consult the people that you plan on representing.  If nothing else Disney could have turned to the volumes of black folklore to base either a story or a character on. Instead they choose to go the typical racist, white privilege root and expect blacks to be contented simply because the new princess is black.  


Posted By: KamikaK (July 27, 2008 at 2:43 AM)

I agree.  If we want it done right then yes we either need to do it ourselves or get in on the ground floor with whatever production company that is making the film.

Here's the devil's advocate in me wondering why we as black people get so angry about not entirely inaccurate but moreso generalized portrayals of us being shown, but we never get mad at the media for doing the same to other races.  Case in point:  most every stepmother in the "white" Disney cartoons is portrayed as an evil woman practicing witchcraft.  We all know that "all" white women who happen to be stepmothers don't do so.  Why do we accept the inaccurate portrayals of them as normal?  Disney makes gross generalizations of the racist ilk in all of their films.  From every asian being a samurai or karate master hopeful, or every black person being able to break into song a la Barry White or Aretha Franklin, to all South Americans wearing thong slippers and ponchos.  It's what they do.  Not saying it's right, but we should be crying foul on all these issues and not just when we happen to show up on the screen.


Posted By: snapdiva (July 27, 2008 at 8:08 PM)

You must be very young (as in under 40)...

Disney did do something about us long ago,

"Song of the South"-- grinning Uncle Remus and all sorts of critters....

Anything has got to be an improvement over that:)

I was old enough to grow up on Fat Albert and Wee People cartoons-- we are not talking the most accurate depictions of us.  At the very least nothing too negative.

After enduring Boondocks for a season on Cartoon Network-- I'm not so sure at least one  of our artists have a clue.


Posted By: tigger500 (July 28, 2008 at 10:03 AM)

Let's also talk about the sexism of Disney films.  Frankly, I think few things more successfully indoctrinate sexist thinking better than a Disney film.  I consider them to be dangerous and not worthy of being viewed by any young girl.


Posted By: DejaVoodoo (July 28, 2008 at 7:40 PM)

Stumbled upon this and was interested.  Just to put in context.... I am a white woman, 50.  Grew up in the 60's and 70's so saw the varied portrayals of black folks and saw those portrayals evolve.  Though, in some ways, not much, as has been pointed out here.

But I would keep kids away from Disney movies... for a completely DIFFERENT reason.

As for those "images"   ....I have watched TV shows where black folks are portrayed poorly.  But have also seen shows where they were portrayed well.   Usually it is the comedies where the negative stereotypical images are most overdrawn because most humor is based in negativity.

But aren't there also shows where hispanic and white people are also portrayed poorly?  As a Southern person... I always noticed that if the movie is set in the South... the character with the worst Southern accent is usually the racist villain.   And don't get me started on the Beverly Hillbillies or the Honeymooners.

I think that we are ALL naturally more sensitive to the negative portrayals if they are targeted toward what WE are... white, black, hispanic, etc.  But do we really stop and "add up" in our head the numerous positive portrayals that might balance them out?  I notice that someone mentioned Tyler Perry... and I would certainly be offended (if I were black) at some of the stereotyped characters in his comedies.  However I have seen several of his dramatic movies and thought the characters were positive, the stories were heartwarming and, all in all, very reflective of the type of intelligent, educated, compassionate and just NICE, black people that make up the vast majority of black/brown/people of color.  So even in Tyler Perry, we see a balance.

For parents... these types of images and stories are good opportunities for conversations with kids over the dinner table about values, society and what our expectations for our lives should be (unlimited potential if you allow yourself to believe it and work for it!).   Movies and TV should not be raising our children and their ideas and self worth should not be shaped by them.

I would be much more concerned with the ADVERTISING and LIFESTYLE images our children are exposed to.  These are MUCH more dangerous. Some of my friends don't let their kids watch TV at all... not because of sex, violence, or negative images... but because they don't want their kids turned into materialistic consumer zombies graduating college $20K in debt to credit cards & other loans (a statistic).  

They let their kids watch most movies... with the exception of ALL Disney movies.  I asked... "WHY don't your kids watch Disney movies?"   They said... "Because all Disney movies are an hour and a half long COMMERCIAL for whatever 'branded' merchandise they want to sell our kids."  

Eye opening, isn't it?  

Many of the newer TV shows are the same way.... "branding" is everywhere.

I think that the biggest danger to kids in our society... is the brainwashing from an early, early age, that turns them into American CONSUMERS.  My brothers whole family "TiVo's" shows like the "OC" and "90210" .... ironic considering that none of them will EVER be that young, OR that rich.  

Through commercials, and TV, we are taught that the important things in life are what we wear, drive, live in, eat or where we dine.    We buy things we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress people we don't know.

How many of our kids are eating hot pockets and frozen pizza, watching big screen TV's that were financed by credit cards (still not paid off) wearing "designer" clothes (also not paid for, but on the Visa card), in a home that was just refinanced to cover consumer debt?   And are they eating processed, pre-prepared foods because Mom and Dad both work too many hours to make home cooked meals... because they are working overtime to try and carry that debt load?

The biggest danger to your kids?   DEBT.

Debt is nothing more than a modern form of slavery.  It doesn't matter what color you are... but it's about the poor, and the middle class, being tied to a job they probably hate in order to pay off that debt.   The debt keeps the working classes in a new form of "sharecropping" that benefits the rich, and corporate interests.

It threatens your kids future.  It threatens their health (stress is the number one contributer to life threatening health conditions... and financial issues are the number one cause of stress).

I recently read an article that said that only 3% of us are going to be able to retire before we die and that 33% of American's have a net worth of less than $2500.  Over half of these people live in expensive homes and drive brand new cars.  But add up the debt and subtract it from the assets and they are probably not worth as much as the (possibly undocumented) gentleman that does their yard-work and landscaping.    HIS beat up truck and equipment is probably paid for and he bought a home he paid cash for (or that he could pay off quickly)  because HE knows what the "American Dream" is and knows you can't get it with Visa.

Want to make a difference in kids lives ... teach them THAT lesson.  Teach them their self worth is not something they can buy.  Teach them that DEBT is the enemy of freedom AND opportunity and will hold them back more than any other factor in their lives.  

Consumerism and DEBT, in my opinion, is the biggest danger to our kids.  Disney is but a speck of dirt in the cosmic scheme of things.


Posted By: Anika (July 29, 2008 at 3:10 AM)

Hi, this is Anika Noni Rose. I am voicing the princess for Disney and I just wanted to let you know that the information that you have is incorrect; production is not held up, the princess is not a maid, and she is not a voodoo priestess. The internet is a wonderful thing when it is right, but when it is wrong, it's like a forrest fire with the Santa Annas blowing through. I am so glad that we are all excited about what's happening at Disney, and looking forward to it being done well, but please don't trust just any little post to be your source.   Disney is doing every thing they can to make this a wonderful and respectful fairy tale.  And you can be sure that I would not have signed on to be a part of something that I found demeaning.

Blessings,

Anika


Posted By: PJsmom (July 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM)

I remember looking for a black superhero for my young son.  After months of searching I found Omega Man.  A young father in the Midwest had a dream and I appreciated his effort.  My son proudly carried Omega man.  I also bought the blue power ranger who is AA.  Now that we have a baby girl she has multiple brown dolls.  I have had soft ones for infancy and now as a toddler we are moving on up.  If Disney thinks we will support something just because it is black they need to wake up.  I think I will find out if Omega Man has a sister!


Posted By: izraelj (July 29, 2008 at 10:52 AM)

Hi Anika.

I'm interested in getting the story right. Would you contact me privately, please?


Posted By: sisterh (July 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM)

What was Cinderella?  A maid who practiced magic?


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Posted By: ginsu (July 29, 2008 at 1:46 PM)

Some obvious things.  Cartoons are typically populated by exagerrated characterizations - (carnivalesque "portraits" seen through fun house mirrors). there are typically villains who are exagerrated to look extra evil.  the main character typically has a flaw they need to overcome.  if its a comedy or theres a comedy element, they make the comedians look like baffoons.  modern melodramas and romances are based on novel tradition of class conflict (see jane austin). etc.  so theres a big danger of offending some one at some point.  

Yeah Disney has had a bad history with racial cartooning (Uncle Tom's cabin -  as comedic musical WTF?).  But at this point, Im sure they would love to pick up a really well crafted african american fairy tale.  They would love to meet writers who specialize in this genre.  writing a good screenplay is difficult, and they are hungry for talent.  Im sure that they would want something with universal appeal so they could sell it to broader demographics and a wider range of market places..  and potentially make more money.


Posted By: odotson (July 30, 2008 at 4:26 PM)

...and if I may add to Folic Pollen's comments:

...and films like Aladdin, where the lead characters Aladdin and Jasmine sounded like they were raised in Venice, California while all of the villians had sterotypical "middle-eastern" accents.  This is a vehicle used specifically to heighten apprehension and ignorance about specific groups of people.  Disney is amazing!!!


Posted By: fedup82 (August 2, 2008 at 4:00 PM)

Once again excuses ... they have had over fifty years to get it right Mr. Izrael. What African-Americans and other people of color continue to deny is the plain fact that 'they' do not want to get it 'right'. For to do so would be to portray people of color as human beings deserving ot the same rights and respect that they lavish on one another. The old adage holds still holds true, if you want something done 'right' do it yourself. And we as African-Americans can begin by showing each other respect and stop prepetuating the white-created stereotype. All races have their weakness and sterengths. Its high time we insist that our strengths be given center stage.


Posted By: vader (August 2, 2008 at 7:52 PM)

Give disney the benefit of the doubt: Maybe no one on the production team realizes the character is racially insensitive and offensive... Really, it's not hard to imagine that disney simply sees young black females as a new spending powerhouse.  Another group under the disney spell, making their parents spend and spend; another group of women to grow up with impossible ideals of "happily ever after" and, of course, men validating and rescuing them... Beware of motives more sinister then exposing the voodoo practices of a housemaid.


Posted By: Shoty (August 2, 2008 at 8:40 PM)

All races have their weakness and sterengths. Its high time we insist that our strengths be given center stage.

How racist is that statment????

Now shouldn't we try to see the good in things. When we focus on the negative, we give power to the negative influences.

If we accept each other as individules and understand that we can find faults in anything we look at, but try to see and enhance posative consepts and interaction, we can all grow.


Posted By: kaniele (August 6, 2008 at 3:02 AM)

These Disney movies are for our children...adults just happen to enjoy them too. As for the accurate portrayal of Blacks in a cartoon...few and far between. Until someone like Aaron McGruder comes along Disney-style, it won't happen. And what ever happened to Static Shock?!!!


Posted By: ms hall (October 13, 2008 at 9:12 PM)

THANKYOU DEJAVOODOO FOR YOUR RIGHTON COMMENTS DEBT AND DISCRIMINATION ARE THE REAL ENEMIES.