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Posted Friday, July 18, 2008 4:16 PM

Jesse Jackson Hearts the "N-Word"

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More troubling than the Rev. Jesse Jackson getting caught on tape using the “N-word” is his insistence that you and I excise it from our vocabulary. I hope by now we know Jackson is a hypocrite who often talks out of both sides of his mouth. But rather than give in to the rather colonial notion that all language has to be for all people, I’d rather him stand up and call it like it is: every culture has idioms. Some are self-deprecating and others were once slurs, now turned on their back. Some have rich, historical etymology. But no one has the right to tell you how to self-identify or what you and can’t say.

 

I use the “n-word” every day, several times a day: I live it, I I love it. And in all likelihood, so does Jesse Jackson. I use it a lot when I blog on my personal site, in my essay-writing, although don’t use it when I’m on the radio—except for once, while I was stuck doing a hillbilly talk show in Kentucky, much to the consternation of local yokels and my boss at the time—but I don’t regret it. The “n-word” is a part of my life and connects me to the experience and the black people I know best in this country. I know nothing of Negros or Coloreds, I’m hazy on Afro and/or African Americans. But from the board room to the classroom to the pool-room and the barber-shop, I know plenty of n---gas. Some white people are saddened and outraged that black people can use a word that they will be vilified for using. There are some white folks out there slinging it around, and I’m ok with that, as long as they are not surprised when someone cashes that check with their teeth. Not everyone should use the word because not everyone knows how to use it. And no, I’ll not teach you.

 

There’s a time and place for everything, and Jackson messed up. That’s Ok.

 Even with all his flaws and foibles, Jesse Jackson’s still my … well, YOU know.

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Posted By: YvonneNC (July 18, 2008 at 8:59 AM)

This is the reason this idiotic controversy continues:  You end your first paragraph declaring that no one has the right to tell you how to self-identify or what you [can] and can't say.  Then you end the second paragraph with not everyone should use the word because not everyone knows how to use it.  WTF?


Posted By: well (July 18, 2008 at 9:44 AM)

jimi trying to get those hits otherwise he and his mediocore, niggardly, de minimus expressions will get gone.


Posted By: The Spaniard (July 18, 2008 at 9:54 AM)

What you CAN do and what you SHOULD do are sometimes two completely seperate ideas.

I CAN jump into a pool filled with acid but I SHOULD simply walk around to avoid any bodily damage.

This is part of the point of Jimi's post.

By the way, the context of any words used is what should be of primary importanace.

"He's the big bad wolf in your neighborhood...not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good!"

~RUN-DMC from Pied Piper


Posted By: Yuseff (July 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM)

I hate that word with a passion, especially when Black folks say it.  I'm a 35  year old man but I excised the word from my vocabulary when I was 14.

I've long thought it ABSOLUTELY idiotic that we would refer to ourselves that way.

People I know always say 'Well its a term of endearment.'  I easily counter that with its also the first word out of your mouth when you are mad at another Black person.   When we are trying our hardest to insult each other, that word is always part of the insult.


Posted By: MerBear (July 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM)

I have decided that I don't like that word.  It makes me uncomfortable and also I like rap but it's ALWAYS in there.  I'm a white girl and I guess it's not for me to decide but I wish that word would go away.  


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 10:39 AM)

I fell in love and married a Puerto Rican woman and was thrust into a world where this light-haired, blue-eyed, pseudo-intellectual american mutt was a minority.

Initally, I was shocked by how much the n-word was used by the PR's (both white and black) and their black american friends.  All those years this liberal white guy constantly calling out the white people who used the word in the worst way possible.

But like you say, the definition was different and usually meant just 'this person who I'm friends with'.

Even though I'm now friends with these families, I could never use the word, not out of fear, because I've discussed it with some of them, but because it would be taken differently and I would be looked upon differently by several of them.  I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

And imagine how I have to explain this one to my children when they hear it when we visit my wife's family.  "It's ok how they're using it, but don't you use it", I say.

I was at a wedding in my family recently and you would not believe how many times I was called "Bro".  I remember those 70's and 80's TV show's where the ignorant white guy would call a black guy "Brother" and the black guy would say, "I'm not your brother" to much laughter and agreement by all.

This new generation of white kids wouldn't understand that joke.

I hope for the day when the acid is lifted from that word, brother.


Posted By: theoriginal MissZ (July 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM)

I remember a few years back that a college administrator used the word niggardly, and the next thing you know, down came the hammer to make him apologize for using such a disgraceful word.  Notice I did not use the word distasteful.  Why he chose to use niggardly instead of stingy in his prepared speech, perhaps is was because it was more eloquant and defining than using cheap-ass.

Seems strange to me that I don't swear around the elderly and people  I don't know but with my friends become a trash takin' nappy headed HO -- NI***R PLEASE.


Posted By: TripleJJJ (July 18, 2008 at 11:29 AM)

I never use the word and I think it's a very harmful word. It stuns me that many black people don't see or understand how harmful it is to them. One of the ways we all learn is by association. We've all got a song that we love that we've associated in our minds with a particular summer, or maybe our highschool graduation. People also make negative associations. It's why we have a problem with the images that are constantly shown of blacks being taken away in handcuffs etc. on the local news. Images, words, songs form associations in people's minds. I see a young brother walking down the street with his headphones on rapping along to the song saying "I'm a cold blooded N bustin' caps" etc. the visual and the N word get linked. The other day on the subway a couple of young kids were throwing the N word around like crazy. I felt awful for an older, dignified black woman who was going home from work. I could tell by the look on her face that she knew that what the young ones were doing was forming negative associations in the minds of all those within earshot. If you like the way things are then by all means keep using the N word, but if you want things to change then you must stop using it.


Posted By: nista206 (July 18, 2008 at 11:34 AM)

I guess we need something to talk about, but this is one subject that is truely being beat to death.... this country is about free speech, so who are we to limit anyone's speech. It's just a word.... it only defines you if you allow it to. It's just like men saying ho.... if I know that I'm not a ho, then I won't be offended. But, if I don't know who I am, or not confident, then I'm offended by ho.


Posted By: Combat Jack (July 18, 2008 at 11:58 AM)

Good ish my ***!


Posted By: kenyaafrika (July 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM)

You know this topic all comes down to perceptions!  Some like it and some don't.  I personally am not in love with the word and use it occassionally more in the bad contex as an insult, not as a term of endearment.  I am not one to stop anyone from saying what they want unless my children are around or the conversation is based around me or my children, then I do have a problem with it.  The fact is that as long as this word continues to be discussed, then people will continue to use it.  It is basically engrained in some people and they do not mind using it or being referred as such.  But what I do know is that I am not one (neither are my children) and that is all that matters to me, what anyone else does is their BIZNESS!!


Posted By: justawhiteguy (July 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM)

There is language that is just unacceptable.  Period.  No one calls a woman a C**t without looking like a no class scumbag and risking getting his, "check cashed with him teeth", (I like that).  You should leave Motherf****r out and, I think N***R should be removed from our collective vocabulary.  Here is the rub, though.  If it is in the language and "no one has the right to tell you how to self-identify or what you and can’t say."  Then where does that leave us?

I have often heard, "It's a black thing, you wouldn't understand."

We need to understand, if we are going to move forward.  And, oh by the way, when you say that make sure you understand; every time you do you are suggesting that youdo have an understanding of the white experience.  You don't.  

That is, if there is a white experience, or a black experience, or any experience other than each of our own personnal experience.


Posted By: DrewReason (July 18, 2008 at 12:27 PM)

You stupid, dawg.  lol

but guess what, u still my n....er

even if u don't get no bigger.

:-)


Posted By: geoffjonz67 (July 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM)

I guess that people who embrace this word and people like myself who haven't fallen into the delusion that it has different connotations will be forever locked in mortal combat over this issue. You can no more change the meaning of that word than you can change the fact that a dead person's heart has stopped beating an he is indeed dead. The word means what it has always meant and has only gone from a noose that was put around our necks to one that we put on ourselves. Wake Up!!!!


Posted By: geoffjonz67 (July 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM)

I guess that people who embrace this word and people like myself who haven't fallen into the delusion that it has different connotations will be forever locked in mortal combat over this issue. You can no more change the meaning of that word than you can change the fact that a dead person's heart has stopped beating an he is indeed dead. The word means what it has always meant and has only gone from a noose that was put around our necks to one that we put on ourselves. Wake Up!!!!


Posted By: jean-jean (July 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM)

I guess it depends on who was at the business end of the whip in the cotton field...


Posted By: wwc (July 18, 2008 at 1:28 PM)

Jimi-

I agree with you and sherri shepard, you two are Ni__ers I look up too and wish there were more of you.  I teach black kids every day and they have no self pride, and no appreciation when I call them Ni__ers. Malcolm, Martin, Rosa, and Jimi....Ni__ers like this have paved the way for many of us to have the freedom to refer to ourselves as ignorant and I won't let anyone take that away from me.

I challenge you jimi, to stop being ashamed, and stop saying N-word and stop mispelling Ni__ers. I also encourage more white people to start using it as more and more black people make the word more endearing, embrace it white people, and join us.

SEE JIMI I CAN SOUND AS STUPID AS YOU.........www.whiteworkingclassvoters.com


Posted By: jmatlock (July 18, 2008 at 1:35 PM)

As a teenager I remember learning that we should "define ourselves, for ourselves," that's a powerful statement.  The problem with self definition is interpretation.  In the same way that close friends have inside jokes, or slang they use that others may not recognize, the 'n' word may be taken out of context because, well it's the 'n' word, it has a history of racially motivated abuses.  To those outside the black community, and those inside who are opposed to it's use, don't use!  Don't worry about those who do.  If someone uses the word improperly, trust that those of us who have taken ownership of the word and transformed the meaning of it, will quickly seek to ensure the transgressor is clearly made aware of his gaffe.  As a proprietor of the 'n' word, I reserve the right to use it when and how I see fit, as well as take offense to its use when I deem it has been used incorrect, or slanderous.  Why can't people accept this, it's our slang.  If I offend others with my use of the word, too bad, check the skin, I've got a pass and will continue to use it if only to inflame those who tell me it's a terrible word, as if I didn't know the history of word.

Great Job Jim!  You  keep the blogs and editorials buzzin my n*gg*!

***--Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished!


Posted By: Craig (July 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM)

I always feel compelled to identify my demographic before I post on this site:  Middle-aged white male.

Good post, Jimi.  However, allow me to take exception to one point.  You suggest that if a white person uses that term around others, he should not be surprised when someone cashes the check with his teeth.  Throughout my life, on many occassions, I have witnessed a menancing, dangerous white man direct that term to a black man with all of the hatred that can be imagined.  It many situations, the black guy was the same size and in the same physical condition as the white guy.  Furthermore, there was no mistaking the fact that the white guy said it to provoke the black guy into a fight.   Do not kid yourself, just because a person is a caucasian, it does not mean that he is timid and afraid of a physical battle to the death.  (Although I'm scared to !!!).  However, these types of white guys are just generally psychopaths and are hateful to all of humanity.  

Here's a word of pratical advice: irrespective of your demographics, or your size or physical condition, if you encounter a white guy with a spider web tattoo on this elbow, you'd be smart to give him a wide berth.


Posted By: wwc (July 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM)

jmatlock I agree brother, I am sure you call your grandparents Ni..ers and parents, and if you have kids...watching all those little Ni..gers growing up must be exciting. Keep up the good work, you should be proud of your ignorance.


Posted By: MEKHIA81 (July 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM)

IT is a WORD and as we all know words are POWERFUL i "try" not to use it but I find that i use it more than I like to but I agree in the context it is used i am justified!! (when i use it it relates to all types of ppl it is not race /culture specific) Its like the "B"-word women have taken it and "owned" it but let a MAN call her that and he too will get his check "cashed!"  I look at the N word in the same context some ppl can use in in a certain way and other's CAN'T that is just how it is - - CAN WE PLEAE GET OVER IT NOW there are plenty injustices out there and we continue to focus on one that WILL NOT be resolved.

If we think we can control the words of others all I have to say is N....R PLEASE!! :P


Posted By: lisalisa (July 18, 2008 at 1:47 PM)

Tedious argument.

The only thing to say about all this  "reclaiming" the word *** is this: my people, my people.

BTW: freedom of speech is not an absolute, i.e. yelling fire in a crowded theater. Your rights end when they step on mine. So please keep the niggers to yourself when my children are on the subway.


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 1:49 PM)

Almost all words change over time, I mean, we're not speaking Indo-European here.

wwc, you're a bigot and using the word in the worst way possible.


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM)

I've heard that word used tenderly.

A rose by any other name would smell just as sweat

Shakespeare


Posted By: Patra (July 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM)

Ah, the "N" word.  First of all, I hate the term the "N" word.  It annoys me.  If we're going to have a discussion about the word ***, then lets' have a discussion about it, and stop all this "N" word nonsense.  

About ***...it's not a word I like, and when I hear it I still cringe a little.  As a child I was taught not to use it, and as my sons get older I will teach them not to use it.  Having said that, I have used it on ocassion.  Example:  hanging out with my sistagirls, we might see a real fine brotha or brothas stroll by, and I'll say under my breath, "damn, that *** is fine!"  Said the same thing about D'Angelo when I first saw that video where he was practically nude (pissed off my husband...not because I said ***, but because I said he was fine).  Sometimes when driving and listening to the news and I hear yet ANOTHER instance of black men killing black men, I'll say to myself, "damn, what is WRONG with niggas???"

My issue is not so much black people using the word, but black people using the word and yelling it out in public for all to hear...which is why you now have "others" who are either using the word, or who feel slighted because they can't use it.  

Which brings me to another point...whining white folks who feel "discriminated" against because they can't use the word.  I haven't worked with with people in a little more than a year (I took a position at black own/majority black employed insurance broker) but aparently this issue reared it's ugly head during Imus's "Nappy Headed Ho" fiasco.  You had white folks blowing up telephone lines on talk radio asking why was it "okay" for black people to use the word, but not them?   You'd think white folks, since they deem themselves "superior" to other groups of people, would be intelligent enough to understand why the word is off limits to them...so much for their "superiority."

To me, the context in which the word is used should be looked at, by both black people and black people.  I've seen two brothas walk up to each other, embrace and one will say, "Wassup, my ***???", and I'll know that there is obviously no aminosity or hatred between these two brothas...however, if two brothas are walking towards each other, one bumps into the other, and the bumpee says, "Watch where the f**k you're walking, stupid ass ***", then the word takes on a completely different connotation.  Same with the word ***.  The word is ocassionally used amongst myself and my sistafriends...one sistafriend will say something in jest, I'll say, "*** I KNOW you just didn't say that", or "***, please!"  We all like, love and admire each other, and know that *** is not used to insult and hurt each other.  In contrast, if I step on someone's foot on the train and they say, "***, stop stepping on my foot", weeeeeell, it takes on a whole different meaning.  

Listen, it is what it is...some of us use the word.  I'd prefer if we used it quietly, but I can't control how people use the word.  If you don't like the word at all, don't use it.  If you do use it, try to use it quietly.  And to white folks:  YOU don't get to use it.


Posted By: wwc (July 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM)

No No friendenemy.....see according to sherri shepard and jimi, it is a word of endearment and brotherhood. See when African Americans took the word back, they changed it and made it all better, so my Ni_ _ ger, don't get upset with me, I am just using the word like sherri shepard, jimi, 50, Nas, etc.

In fact friendenemy, this "taking of words back" works in other areas too. Just the other day I saw a B_ _ch walking into the church and I stepped to her and said excuse me B- tch would you like to go out to brunch after church? Now initially she was upset but I told her, Black people have taken this word and changed it so it is ok now to call our grandmothers and black women B- tches.

by the way friendenemy....I am as much of a Ni- -er as you are so I have a right to say this and encourage others including whites to join me.

Ni- -ers are the ONLY race/culture that will openly ridicule themselves on tv, radio, and in public. Sometimes our own truth hurts!


Posted By: Patra (July 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM)

Jimi, I get what you're saying.  I think others do to, but don't want to admit it.


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM)

What about white spanish people, I don't hear the blacks I've been around complaining about that?

No whining here, just trying to eliminate the space that seperates us.

What are the words black americans can't use?  Are there any?

It was said:

You'd think white folks, since they deem themselves "superior" to other groups of people, would be intelligent enough to understand why the word is off limits to them...so much for their "superiority."

I don't think anyone is superior to another.  That's a racist statement.


Posted By: Patra (July 18, 2008 at 2:19 PM)

wwc, mind your own business, white man.  You obviously harbor distain towards people of color, why are you here?

What cracks me UP about white folks talking sh^t on a black blog, is that if any one of us confronted them, esp. a brotha, they'd stammer and stutter all over the place.

Years ago, when I worked with these yokels, one of them thought it would be funny to pass along an ebonics email...too bad el stupido sent it to me.  I confronted him, told his ass off, and told him I was taking the matter to a higher authority.  You should have heard this joker..."...oh, uh...um...it was a joke...I didn't mean to offend you...uh...uh..."  I forwarded the email to my manager, the human resources department and the legal department, and put them on notice that if I ever again received such racist material again, that I would take it to the EEOC.  He wasn't fired, but he was asked to "quietly resign".  The co. gave him three months to find another position, which he did.   White folks:  learn what is appropriate for you to say, and what is not.


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM)

I can see where this is going.

Love to all.

Peace.


Posted By: Patra (July 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM)

friendenemy said: What about white spanish people, I don't hear the blacks I've been around complaining about that?

(((I'd prefer no one outside of AA's use the word.  Spanish, Hispanic, whatever are not African Americans, they feel no comraderie with us, have seen fit not to join us in our struggles, they should not use it.)))

No whining here, just trying to eliminate the space that seperates us.

(((There are a thousand ways you can eliminate the space that separates us.  Example:  did you speak out against the murders of Sean Bell, Amadu Diallo, Yusef Hawkins, Latisha Hawkins, Michael Stewart, Cedric Saniford, James Byrd?  Do you speak out against police brutality?  Do you acknowledge...OUT LOUD...that most African American women in this country are NOT on welfare, but are working women?  Do you acknowledge that the average number of children for a black single mom on welfare is TWO...not six, seven, eight...the lie that ignorant white folks like to spew?  Do you acknowledge...OUT LOUD...that most black men are not criminals but are hardworking men who do care about their family and community?  When white foks ask the stupid question of why blacks call themselves AfricanAmericans, do you tell them it's part history/culture and part because we can and have a right to, and that they should mind their own damn business??  If you do even ONE of those things you are helping to eliminate the space between us.  By looking at us objectively with an open mind...and heart if you can...and recognizing that we are neither all day saints nor all day sinners...we are people...human...subject to the same triumphs and tragedies, successes and failures, as any other human being.  If you do this, then yes, you are helping to eliminate the space between us.

What are the words black americans can't use?  Are there any?

It was said:

You'd think white folks, since they deem themselves "superior" to other groups of people, would be intelligent enough to understand why the word is off limits to them...so much for their "superiority."

I don't think anyone is superior to another


Posted By: jmatlock (July 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM)

WWC, as a white working class voter I forgive you.  I also don't understand the degree to which you choose to specifically denigrate with the use of the word n*gger.  All of my family and friends and aquaintances who use the word n*gga, would surely like to make sure your check is cashed were we to meet in person.  But I digress, you can't know that which you do not experience.  You may think you know, but you don't know.  The Brothers and sisters I speak to who walk this path of African heritage may or may not agree with my use of the word, but one thing is for sure, they know when I do say it, it may be out of percieved ignorance, but it is never, ever used out of hate.  I love my n*ggas and my n*ggas love me.  As for the n*ggers, I don't know any, and I would suggest you coral your use of the word in such a manner.  

Please refer to my previous post: "As a proprietor of the 'n' word, I reserve the right to use it when and how I see fit, as well as take offense to its use when I deem it has been used incorrect, or slanderous."

You, my melanin deficient counterpart have taken it to the level of incorrect and slanderous.  If you ever had a pass, it is surely now revoked!


Posted By: jmatlock (July 18, 2008 at 2:44 PM)

Just in case it wasn't clear, I thought I'd offer a more direct approach.

n*gga: \'ni-ga\ n- alteration of earlier n*gger, from Southern United States, Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger: Used as a greeting, a term of endearment between friends and or aquaintances of the African American persuasion.  


Posted By: The Spaniard (July 18, 2008 at 2:44 PM)

"You can no more change the meaning of that word than you can change the fact that a dead person's heart has stopped beating an he is indeed dead."

Sure you can.  It happens all the time.  Language is steady evolving with new words, old words, words the shift meaning over time.

Any person who studies the history of language with verify this.  Check out some actual academic studies on the matter.

"He's the big bad wolf in your neighborhood...not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good!"

~RUN-DMC from Pied Piper


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM)

Patra, I'm ignorant of some of what you are saying, but will research.

In those lilly-white conversations that take place where the bigots start to spew racism, you'd be surprised how many people stand up and say, "You're a bigot, shut up".

I hope you do the same in the reverse situation.

There is still so much racism in this country.  Let's not you and I, who should be allies, let the color of our skin or gender seperate us.

I say this:

Black women are beautiful and intelligent.


Posted By: The Spaniard (July 18, 2008 at 2:52 PM)

"Ni- -ers are the ONLY race/culture that will openly ridicule themselves on tv, radio, and in public. Sometimes our own truth hurts!"

This is absolutely false.


Posted By: Patra (July 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM)

Patra, I'm ignorant of some of what you are saying, but will research.

(((The people I mentioned were murdered...either by the police or by whites...Abner Loumia was the Haitian gentleman who was sodomized with a broken plunger by Justin Volpe, a NYC police officer.  Amadu Diallo was shot at 41 times by NYC officers...19 of those bullets killed him.  Yusef Hawkins was attacked and killed by a white mob in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.  Latisha Jackson was a 14 year old girl who was shot in the back of the head by a korean store clerk, over a bottle of orange juice Latisha allegedly stole...videotape proved she didn't steal it.  Cedric Santiford was chased onto the Belt Parkway by a white mob who intended to attack him; Santiford was run over by a car on the parkway and died.  Michael Stewart was a 18 year old who was beaten into a brain dead state by NYC officers.  Sean Bell was shot at 51 times by NYC police officers and killed.  James Byrd lived in Jasper, TX...he was chained to the back of a pick up truck, and dragged to his death...his body parts were found for miles and miles...

In those lilly-white conversations that take place where the bigots start to spew racism, you'd be surprised how many people stand up and say, "You're a bigot, shut up". I hope you do the same in the reverse situation.

(((I do, particularly when the comments are ludicrous...like white people smell like dogs...never smelled a white person who smelled like a dog...or any other person for that matter.)))


Posted By: izraelj (July 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM)

WWC,

We welcome spirited conversation, and while me and other public figures are fair game, other commenters are not. Refrain from attacking other commenters, and play nice.

Thank you

that dude


Posted By: wwc (July 18, 2008 at 3:13 PM)

JMA...I see we agree, I use the word too out of love. You see, you are not the only one who can take a word and change the meaning and spelling and then think no one else can say it. Newsflash, I can do it too. Ironically there is a Ni**ga or Ni**ger on the front of this website who paid a dear price of time for people like you and me. IN your world Nelson Mandela is a Ni**ger, or Ni**a depending on how you spell it.

Also, to show you the power of words my Ni**er, you might see the website www.whiteworkingclassvoters.com and say this is a whiteboy, but please believe my a$$ is as black as yours and the check you want to cash, might get bounced....My Ni**er


Posted By: Deanodis (July 18, 2008 at 3:14 PM)

I wish that Jesse Jackson would learn to keep his mouth shut and keep out of the public eye.  I think he is an ignorant human being and the fact that he still has a voice among the community is appalling.  I think he feels entitled and empowered by the word.  Because each time it is used by him or anyone else keeps him at his current post.  And that is on television spewing his hate into society.  I understand that there should be people, not just blacks, not just whites, but people educating individuals that race shouldn't be an issue.  Thats how I was raised, and no, it wasn't with a silver spoon either.  I was always taught to be kind to one another.  The fact that those words came out of his mouth, I think hurt Obama's campaign.  I don't think it was detremental but a lot of individuals care what Jesse Jackson thinks, and a lot of those individuals are black.  And by saying what he said can cause some people  to sit back and say "ya, know he's right, he does kind of talk down to african-americans.  Obama doesn't talk down to African-Americans he is trying to instill power,trust and change in America.  I think if you feel he is talking down to you then you need to get off your behinds and do something to better yourself, to get out there and not be slacker.  You make what you want in life and if you expect it to be handed over to you freely then you are going to have a long road ahead of you, or short one depending on how you want to view it.  In short, JESSE please keep your ignorant, hipocrit, borderline racist mouth closed and let the REAL political leaders do their job.  


Posted By: FriendEnemy (July 18, 2008 at 3:31 PM)

Patra, I do remember now.  


Posted By: Deanodis (July 18, 2008 at 3:34 PM)

wwc,

I wanted to tell you that you are treading on some very thin ice my friend.  Why don't you stop playing into the whole "shock value" society we have become.  WORD OF THE DAY J-O-B, JOB you don't have to worry about catchin dogs, you gotta worry about a dog catchin your a$$


Posted By: julisha (July 18, 2008 at 3:55 PM)

Hmm.  Sad.  I don't use the N word because it doesn't validate my blackness.  My church members, my family, my husband, and my children are not Ns.  I never grew up with that in my household because my grandmother associated that with racism and the South, probably because she grew hearing that in a derogatory way.  I also don't understand why there's a double standard for whites using the word.  I am not advocating for anyone to use the word-blacks or whites.  I also think Jesse Jackson is a hypocrite, a narcissist, and out of a job!


Posted By: Yuseff (July 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM)

I also find it absolutely stupid how some of us say its OK if spelled with a gga a instead of a gger.  Thats ludicrous.  Thats how Black people often speak.  

We go to the sto and spend dollas instead of going to the store and spending dollars.  Even if you aren't sharp and crisp with the 'R' sound at the end its still the same word that was uttered by the Klu Klux Klan 75 years ago, with the same meaning.  


Posted By: Craig (July 18, 2008 at 7:12 PM)

WWC - Man, you've really stirred up some sh!t!!!  

Patra:  With respect to this comment:  mind your own business, white man ... why are you here?  , I can't speak for any other white men that might participate in discussions on this blog, but I'm here because it allows me a forum to interact with black people.  I admittedly don't have much of an opportunity to interact with black people.  Whether you want to accept it or not, a white man can have his heart in the right place without being cloying.  This is not meant to be condescending, however, despite the fact that you used the term "white man", I chose to believe that you didn't intend to suggest that all white men should refrain from participating in discussions on this blog.


Posted By: blessinggirl (July 18, 2008 at 7:57 PM)

Would someone please explain how we have "turned the word on its back"?  I heard another commentator say that today.  Guess what, we have been calling ourselves that word since we were enslaved.  We bought the ugliness and inferiority the word conveyed.  So we are still using it, but now we say we "own" the word.  Give me a break.  I agree with wwc, who encourages all of you silly folk to refer to your loved ones that way.


Posted By: malia (July 18, 2008 at 8:27 PM)

JImi, I'm hoping that your post was simply intended to provoke. If not, this was definitely the most ignorant thing I have ever read on this site.

Any person with even a basic understanding of the history of African people in the Americas should understand why the n-word needs to be excised from our vocabulary, or why, if it is used by ANYONE in ANY context, it should be grounds for a beat down. Knowing that word was likely the last heard by Emmett Till and the legions of black people murdered simply because they were black should be enough to prevent any one of us who enjoys a semblance of equality today from using it.  

The idea that we exist in some sort of cultural isolation chamber that allows us to use terms that others can't is also ridiculous. If we know enough to be offended if a white boy uses it, why is it okay for us to use it to describe one another, and why should we WANT to?  As long as we insist on disrespecting ourselves, we can neither expect nor demand that others respect us.

I hope one of the other columnists at The Root will take the time to write something which explains the word's hateful origins as a counterpoint to what Jimi wrote.


Posted By: brokawb1 (July 18, 2008 at 8:32 PM)

I agree with several other posters who don't get why this word is O.K. at all for ANYBODY.  I will say that I'm white and know damn well I can't and shouldn't use the "n word".  I GET it and all it entails and that's why I don't use it, not because I'm afraid of any checks getting "cashed".    What I, and many others DON'T get is why blacks feel the need to use it and refer to each other using such a hateful word, knowing its origins.  THAT'S what I want explained.  I'm not buying the "we own it" argument.  It just falls short, because, as others have pointed out, most wouldn't refer to close family in that way.  


Posted By: womanistmusings (July 18, 2008 at 10:25 PM)

"I use the “n-word” every day, several times a day: I live it, I I love it."

Then you sir have internalized racism.


Posted By: dbrowsers (July 19, 2008 at 1:27 AM)

There are not too many of us in this country that have never referred to blacks in our day to day conversation with one another as "Niggers". As demeaning as the word is, according to the dictionary term, it has been ingrained in the American psyche with an indelible mark that is literally a brand on our foreheads. Those who react to its emotional impact must realize, that since the call to stop using this word, more attention has been given to its controversial origin and its applicable usage.

I wonder if Mr. Obama has ever been called a "***"? If so, how did he react to it? Have you ever been called a "***"? How did you react to it? I have been called a "***" many of times, by both blacks and whites. As a result, I have been angry at some and I have laughed and gave the person some "dap" for its descriptive adjective connotation, that has somehow became a solidarity ritual within the black community, since God knows when. Nowadays, white boys are calling each other "***". ***, please! *** please! *** please! Everywhere blacks and whites assemble and gather you hear the word! Is it a cuss word? Is it a fuss word? Is it ony an "us" word? What kind of word is it?

With its double standard usage in today's American society and as other races and cultures embraces its slang interpretation, while making it their own, I doubt if White America cares a great deal about the media's divide and conquer exploitatives on this matter. The best thing we can do as a people, is to move on and quit focusing on how it has diminished the reputation of Mr. Jackson, or hurt Mr. Obama! For every finger pointing at anyone, there are multiples pointing back at you. "If God were counting errors, none of us could stand." "He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone." Get my point? Forgiveness is divine, to remember is only natural, but to let go will heal your mind!

Does the so-called Reverend need to wash his mouth out with soap? Maybe so, but so does the FCC and the airwaves of American Media, Film and Print, then maybe, the word "***" will gradually dissapear from our minds. Until then, brother can you spare a dime?


Posted By: befree1619 (July 19, 2008 at 9:58 AM)

You’re using ***/er because the white man & white woman taught you to and your people BEFORE you.. I think it's been a lot of intellectual gymnastics around this conversation.. Much of its use is simply habit. Slaveholders called Africans it, thus you do. This is a case of them naming the group you belong to and you keeping it..  If you read enslaved narratives or listen to the record interviews by the Library of Congress of former enslaved people, you will hear them say it as a descriptor. Not endearment, not in protest, but as a group name. I have heard the same person say ....."You my Ni99a" and "Ni99a I will kill you" and killed a person.

Ni99er has an American identity..."Real ni99er, "Boss Ni99er", "Actin' like a ni99er":... The "ni88er" is a white supremacist character that has a language, a look , a dress, a color.. attributes............an identity. There is a major difference between "they see me as a ni99er" and "I am a ni99er".   We were not NI99ERS until we went thru the process of Ni99erization at the hands of white supremacy. You're right, we were not even BLACK, Negro, Jiggabo, Buck Sambo until we encountered white-men & white women.   The real question is If We are Not Ni99ers, Who are We? This requires  us to  go back and find out who and what we were before the Ni99erization process stole our minds, bodies, and souls. One can't find themselves if they have already adopted an negative identity.  The movement to destroy the NI99ER as an Identity must be coupled with destroying NI99ER makers ( white supremacy)and all of their NI99ER inducing systems (prison industrial complex, double unemployment rates ect..)ni99er is a verbal noose. That's why we say Black is Beautiful.... not Ni99er is Beautiful.  John Rock gave us the black is beautiful in the 1800s because he knew ain't nothing beautiful about being a ni99er.


Posted By: befree1619 (July 19, 2008 at 10:01 AM)

You’re using nixxa/er because the white man & white woman taught you to and your people BEFORE you.. I think it's been a lot of intellectual gymnastics around this conversation.. Much of its use is simply habit. Slaveholders called Africans it, thus you do. This is a case of them naming the group you belong to and you keeping it..  If you read enslaved narratives or listen to the record interviews by the Library of Congress of former enslaved people, you will hear them say it as a descriptor. Not endearment, not in protest, but as a group name. I have heard the same person say ....."You my Ni99a" and "Ni99a I will kill you" and killed a person.

Ni99er has an American identity..."Real ni99er, "Boss Ni99er", "Actin' like a ni99er":... The "ni88er" is a white supremacist character that has a language, a look , a dress, a color.. attributes............an identity. There is a major difference between "they see me as a ni99er" and "I am a ni99er".   We were not NI99ERS until we went thru the process of Ni99erization at the hands of white supremacy. You're right, we were not even BLACK, Negro, Jiggabo, Buck Sambo until we encountered white-men & white women.   The real question is If We are Not Ni99ers, Who are We? This requires  us to  go back and find out who and what we were before the Ni99erization process stole our minds, bodies, and souls. One can't find themselves if they have already adopted an negative identity.  The movement to destroy the NI99ER as an Identity must be coupled with destroying NI99ER makers ( white supremacy)and all of their NI99ER inducing systems (prison industrial complex, double unemployment rates ect..)ni99er is a verbal noose. That's why we say Black is Beautiful.... not Ni99er is Beautiful.  John Rock gave us the black is beautiful in the 1800s because he knew ain't nothing beautiful about being a ni99er.


Posted By: Allison E. (July 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM)

Patra, I have to agree with Craig here. I came to this blog because I heard it was a forum where blacks and whites could discuss issues openly with one another. And I must say, having been here a while, I've really enjoyed the discussions about our similar/dissimilar perceptions.

I used to live in a large multicultural city and now I live in The Deep South, where interactions with other cultures are almost nonexistent. I miss it. I miss my friends, the music, the food, the neighborhoods. I miss not being comfortable putting an Obama sticker on my car for fear that some "whitey" (does this term equate to n***er?) will damage my car. I want to put an Obama yard sign up, but when I put up a Harold Ford Jr. sign up 2 years ago, it was trashed.

Cut us some slack, Patra. Chances are if we're white, we're here because of sincere reasons. Well, seems that wwc might be an exception.

ON the word n***er, I don't like it. But I don't care for any term that is derogatory or has associations with being derogatory. Sensitive I guess.

Sometimes I wish the "race stuff" would all just go away so that we recognize that we're all just people. Other times I want to celebrate our differences because it's what makes this country so wonderfully diverse and I like that. Two sides of the same coin I guess.


Posted By: Omugabe (July 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM)

Can you say, "Divide and Dominate" of the mental slaves by KNOWN bigots?

Too African Americans seem to have gotten the same disease as the majority population -- hating on Blacks; but what's new?  lol

Ignorant African Americans are allowing themselves to be played by their KNOWN racist enemies of Faux News!

If anyone needs attacking for outing the PRIVATE COMMENTS of Jess it would be the KNOWN bigots at Faux News!

Jesse Jackson SPOKE IN PRIVATE!

Everyone is allowed to crap IN PRIVATE; and everyone does!

All this nonsense talk by African Americans about  Jesse 'crude remarks' is just the parroting of whites and their racism towards African American.

What is 'crude' is the outing of a PRIVATE WHISPERED CONVERSATION, by the bigots of Faux News.

All the African Americans who are suckered into dumping on Jesse Jackson are demonstrating that they are their worse enemies.

Obama accepted Jesse's apology from the outset, and RIGHTLY so

.

Neither Obama or anyone else with a working brain believes that Jesse means Obama any harm.  

No alert mind believes that Jesse was doing anything but 'trash talk' IN PRIVATE!

Only the small-minded African Americans will continue to unwittingly support the bigots from Faux News by foolishly attacking 'their own' on the basis of 'trash talk' DONE IN PRIVATE!

As for using the word n!gga, those who are near and dear are allowed to call each other by any name they damn well please.

The historical enemies of African Americans ARE NOT near and dear; and so they are not welcomed to be call African Americans whatever they please.

And those who would call Jesse a 'hypocrite' need to go back to school.

If someone suggest that you don't crap IN PUBLIC; it doesn't mean that you can't crap IN PRIVATE with those who are 'near and dear'.

Jesse can call his people 'n!ggaz' if he wants to do so IN PRIVATE!

Only the mental slaves will mind, or will listen to and support the inflaming by racists of Faux News!


Posted By: evry1has1 (July 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM)

bullsh*t!!!! historically, the word was created by whites to demean blacks and just because we use it amongst ourselves  doesn't really change that fact. n****ers, n***as; it doesn't matter which one you use when you are angry and trying to hurt someone with words. no one needs to use it today and i will beat down anyone who uses it around me no matter what race they are and i'm black!!!!


Posted By: Pip (July 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM)

Over 400 yearz later...n' we STILL havin' this argument over a word?

befree1619 bringz up a rather intriguin'/interestin' point:

"You’re using ***/er because the white man & white woman taught you to and your people BEFORE you.. I think it's been a lot of intellectual gymnastics around this conversation.. Much of its use is simply habit. Slaveholders called Africans it, thus you do. This is a case of them naming the group you belong to and you keeping it.."

Far az I'm concerned...the same argument can ultimately be used ta explain all the "jesus"-lovin' ni**as/ni**ers in this country, too!

Clearly, the only reason anybody Black in this country prayz ta jesus or usez them wordz iz b'cuz  somewhere along the line a white boy told yer ancestorz to...n' yer great- great- great- grandpappys n' mammys took some MAJOR a**-whoopin'z 'til they took that white boy's god az their perosnal savior...fo' all the good it did. = |

Whenever I hear a Black-skinned person say that they "jus' love jesus" I know immediately that I'm standin' toooo close to a slave!

This bein' a "free" country n' all, I guess that meanz people are free ta believe whatever liez they wanna swallow...I'm jus' glad not alla us do!

Check out:

www.taalamacey.com

...ta see (wit yer 3rd eye) EXACTLY what I mean...

'Cuz THIS Brotha iz DEEP!

Personally, I couldn't care less one way or the otha 'bout that word or itz use in our community beyond itz obvious negative implicationz n' impact. I'd rather see more of us rediscover who we were b/4 all this ni**erization took place, az befree1619 suggestz, n' who we really could be afta we all get past it...

My brothas, my ni**as, my mi**as, my brothas...we need ta find anotha way ta LOVE each otha!

Feel free ta visit http://theblackwhole.wordpress.com/ n' leave a comment there, too

..whether u agree w/ itz contentz or not.

Jus' tryin' ta take the ongoin' argument ta anotha Level!

Peace, Y'all.


Posted By: Pip (July 19, 2008 at 7:09 PM)

With all due respect to Omugabe, if you've ever been in any commerical or student radio or TV broadcast studio (and Jesse Jackson has been in plenty), then you HAVE TO KNOW that you clearly ARE NOT ANY PLACE PRIVATE!

C'mon, brotha...let's stop blaming white folks, whether at "faux neews" or elsewhere, for stuff we can easily control ourselves, if we'd only choose to. Jesse CHOSE not to; nobody had a gun to the brother's head!

Yes, Jesse's welcome to use any words he chooses to; but then, don't go around telling everybody else that THEY CAN'T or shouldn't use them. He loses ALL credibility when he tries to pull that "The Reverend can but nobody else cain't" crap on us, sadly, even when he actually had a worthwhile point to make underneath all that hypocrisy.