I totally agree with you! I wouldn't be surprised if the Clintonistas staged a 'coup' of sorts and Obama found himself facing the VP nomination instead! I know that's a bit far-fetched but I am really disappointed that the DNC and all are allowing this. What about Obama's campaign messages about change and not settling for the old Washington players and cowtowing to the pressure. this is weak to me and i'm so disgusted! I really hope for his sake and for the sake of all of us who wholeheartedly supported him, that this does not backfire either at the convention or ultimately in November.
If there is a coup at the democratic convention, I for one will never vote for any democratic candidate again!
If there is a coup at the convention then the democrats will not be able to win the election, Obama voters are just as huffy as Clinton's people. Just as they threaten to not vote, so can we and we have more first time voters, the kind the DNC wants to attract.
I'm hoping that folks won't be stupid enough to usurp Obama's Presidential campaign by voting for Hillary. Enough is enough. She lost. Get over it. Do you really think that McCain is a better option??? Be real. Hillary and Obama have a lot more in common by way of their platforms than McCain has with either of them. I simply can't believe that yal would be that petty and vote for McCain or allow McCain to win by simply not voting because your candidate didn't get the nomination. Dig deep and be honest. Do you really think that McCain is a better option or are you just being contrary??? Because honestly...I can't see how you could be for Hillary but vote for McCain.
Although it is unwise to allow Billary's name on the ticket, I think Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to that and the other attacks that have been launched at him. Allowing this may make him seem weak, (especially to those of us who want to tell Hillary and her husband where to go and are scripting out own McCain attack adds) but if he responds with a tough swift hand, and says "hell no! she can't put her name next to mine for any reason!" or "McCain go sit in your rocking chair!" out comes the claims of him being uppity, presumptiuous, angry black, etc damned if you do, damned if you don't
I hope the Clintons and their followers don't destroy the democratic party. If that happens a lot of people would most likey loose interest in the Dem party not just because of Billary but because of this lack of unity. The Republicans I know don't particularly like McCain but I don't hear of them staging a coup and voting against their own issues.
Damn! I thought I was the only one! The fact is, Obama has 72% of Clinton's voters already. By November 4th, I'm sure that number would be in the 90th percentile. I don't know why her name is on the ticket and I'm damn confused and angry about it. The whole "every voice heard" is a load of crap! Their voices were heard...DURING THE PRIMARY!! THEY LOST! GET OVER IT! It's the general election now! WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN? WAHT ARE THEY THINKING?????What a complete slap in the face to Obama supporters who are giving all they can to get him elected while her supporters are doing nothing but sabotage!
BY THE WAY...Have you checked out hillaryclinton.com? There are no links to the Obama website!! Check it out for yourself. So much for stomping behind Obama and doing all she can to get Obama elected. She's so damn worried about her debt that I guess it's too difficult for her to do what she's supposed to do.
Obama had my vote from day one but I DID respect Hilary for being the #1 real female candidate. My respect is gone and has been gone for a while for her. If I was Obama I wouldn't trust her and would have said NO at the first sign of this crap.
I feel you, Mark. Obama is letting himself get punked. Every member of the Clinton family gets to speak at an event that is supposed to be about his nomation for president. If McCain wins because of this nonsense... I don't even know how mad I'll be. Either VERY, or not at all, because you reap what you sow.
I understand that Obama has to play the game to win, but having to watch him drift to the middle on damned-near everything just to appease the uneducated poor white trash who aren't going to vote for him REGARDLESS... is painful. He can't man up and tell Billary to get lost. He has disavowed any and everyone that his camp believes the average, white "low-information voter" might not approve of... And he hasn't said jack about police brutality, inner-city revitalization, the domestic AIDS crisis, affordable education, the hundreds of Katrina families still displaced or missing, corporate monopolization of media . . .
Hell, maybe Billary should take the election away from him. If he isn't man enough to win with his dignity in tact, does he deserve the nomination?
I doubt Clinton will stage a coup. But given the Clintons bad sportsmanship and sore loser attitudes Im cynical about their vote and appearance. I can see them finding ways to undermine Obama out of spite. Their primary campaign was low. and If Obama loses, they can share some of the blame.
Obama has shown that he values forward movement through compromise - rather than polarizing deadlocks. thats perhaps his strength. we have grown accustomed to self-sh - my way or the highway styles of the recent republican movement. theyve sold the public on the the phony idea that strength is about never compromising. which can be effective if you have a monopoly on power but has all sorts of negative political consequences if youre trying to share power. intransigence is not a strong negotiating position.
Since 1884, democratic candidates have had their names placed in nomination at the national convention on the first ballot. Howard Dean had less than 500 delegates and a state by state vote for his nomination was held.Senator Clinton received more than 18 million votes during the 08 primary season. William Jefferson Clinton is the ONLY DEMOCRAT WHO DEFEATED THE GOP 2 TIMES in the past 40 years. The former President and First Lady are the best the party has had in 4 decades.
lease learn about the history of the democratic party before continually casting the Clintons as the enemy. This not the first national convention or election for many of us. I humbly suggest that articles and comments such as those here , indicate your lack of information and experience in the official process to NOMINATE Senator Obama. As presidential candidate, Rev. Jesse Jackson reminded the party in 1984 this is the Nomination convention , not a coronation. '
Given the fact that more people voted for Senator Clinton than Senator Obama, and her husband 's 1996 election was the last time democrats occupied the white house, Senator Obama is wise to prominately feature them at the convention. If he does not, it indicates that the democrats don't want or need 18 million voters.
I agree the Clinton's are getting too much time at the convention but look how excited everyone gets about it. Why are we still talking about them? It just feels like Obama's campaign isn't moving past the primaries where he was exciting and successful. It's time to worry about the Republican's who work the campaign with so much cleverness.
It feels like everyone is all riled up about the Clintons but the campaign hasn't figured out how to run against McCain yet and the air seems to go out of the room when it's not about beating Hillary.
wako sister;
Hills did not, accoring to most accounts, have the most votes. Again, Michigan and Florida did not count. Being from the Great Lake state I can assure you that he would have garnard a majority of of the votes from the cities alone fro the minority demographic. Florida has the same demographic. So lets keep it real.
So silence anyone who didn't vote for your candidate? Hmm, very American that is.
I'm a Hillary delegate and will be loudly voting for her next week. She will not get the nomination most likely and the world will still see the sun rise the next day.
I think what you and a lot of others are doing , whether you know it or not, is starting to give yourselves pre-reasons in case Obama doesn't win in November. You can't imagine that the racists and the Hillary supporters (who you think are one and the same) won't have won by the shear fact that he didn't get enough votes. You are sorta pathetic. You don't believe in your candidate do you? You're already looking for excuses for November. If he loses (I don't think he will) you'll be ready to blame Hillary and the fact that "America aint gon give no black man that much power, etc ad infinitum..". Negro Please!
Ok, so there maybe be precedence for the loser's name to be placed in nomination. What I and I believe others are so angry, annoyed, upset, suspicious, concerned, worried etc. about is HOW Hillary conducted herself during the primaries. She and her husband used race to gin up votes along racial lines to astonishing effect toward the end and but could not overcome Obama's momentum. She moved the goal post all over the field in an effort to win. Since we still have people who hold old archaic erroneous views on race they played that card too hoping to turn it into victory. Racist people vote and fear is a darn good motivator. Just ask the RNC and John McCain.
Does/can a leopard change its spots? Don't think so and there in lies our angst over the Clintons at the convention. She denied us the joy of him finally winning by delaying her concession. (Does any one recall that it was Hillary who introduced the word "superdelegate" to the electorate?)Would have indefinitely were it not for Rangel and other House Dems. Hillary nor Bill or Chelsea for that matter do not support Obama. They feel in their collective hearts that he is unqualified and CAN NOT win. They are offended at the notion that an young, new upstart came and upended her chance at the White House. They do not see him as a real competitor but as a threat with no real value. It is obvious that they do not like nor respect him. Reputation be damned, We are not going to support him though tradition dictates we should. She after being forced to suspended her campaign, appeared in public with Obama and I hear is appearing in PUBLIC campaigning but PRIVATELY she kept hope alive. The reason her supporters feel so emboldened is because she through her actions (concession speech days later) and words (play the Youtube video) gave them the go-ahead. She feels very strongly that she is the rightful nominee and it shows.
So what are we Obama supporters afraid of? She has not changed. Honestly, I do not believe ANYTHING positive that she might utter about Obama or his campaign. So all the crap you said during the primary, you didn't mean it? Just kidding? And lets not even talk about her husband!
I/We do not TRUST her as far as we can pick her up and throw her ( ole saying courtesy of my mom). I am still thinking about what stupid, crazy thing I can do in protest if she or her husband undermine Obama at the convention. The Clintons are sore losers. Undisciplined and unprofessional. For all the hype that surrounds "the greatest political mind in modern politics" it is surprising how self-indulgent and juvenile Bill and by extension Hillary are.
As for Obama being weak, I am greatly disappointed in hearing that he relented and allowed the Bill and Hillary show to go on. It is one thing to put her name in nomination and have her votes be counted. It is a whole other thing to have them punk you privately and PUBLICLY. Her total disrespect of him as a BLACK man is hard to look at and ignore. I hope Obama knows what he is doing. I personally want him to get to the White House with some dignity intact. Cow-towing to the Clintons? Lord, I hope this is part of the big picture strategy. He has far more grace than I can muster right now. I am of the camp that you do not have to like me but RESPECT is not open to discussion. Oh, and how much you wanna bet that if the shoe were on the other foot, we would NOT be having this conversation? She would not have looked back and you can bet his name would NOT be in nomination NOR would his supporters have their voices heard. Believe that.
Like my momma says, "She bears watchin'. She don't mean (him) no good. And she doesn't...
You're not paranoid, Marc...they really are after you. And the possibilities of mischief/disaster are endless at the convention. Be careful of what you wish for...you might get it. It might end up that Sen Obama would be better off remaining in the senate for another eight to twelve years and allow Billary to win or loose this election than go into the convention as presumptive candidate and Billary work their magic to sabatoge and destroy him for good.
It would be WEAK if Obama didn't allow Hillary to speak at the convention.
Let them scream out her name... who cares. Delusional Clintonistas still think she got 18 million votes and was robbed by the DNC decision. They don't want to acknowledge the fact that Hillary verbally stated (to the media) that she wouldn't put her name on the ballot in Mich. (more lies) and she was the only person who physically campaigned in Florida (cheating). Obama is basically letting her take the stage one last time so she can plead.." please go to www.hillaryclinton.com" and give me some money to pay the debt of my imploded campaign. She wouldn't need to speak at the convention if soWaco Sistah and Vegasstyleguy put their money where their mouths are located and paid off Hillary’s $30 million spending spree. (Delegate???…more like delicate)
Do you guys seriously think the DNC is going to allow Hillary & Bill to slip on stage in front of 75,000 plus people as stand-ins for the Obamas? That's like Cline Dion and Kenny Rodgers (know when to FOLD them Bill) trying to stand-in for Kanye and Jill Scott at the Essence festival…. That’s not change we can believe in.
Thank God I'm independent b/c forgetful democrats don't even have the heart to realize that Hillary couldn't beat an unknown with a funny Hebrew first name and Muslim middle name. It should have been a cake walk election for her. She turned on the tears (then smeared Obama) before the 3rd primary election. The campaign was completely desperate from that point forward.
Speaking of which... how long before Mrs. McCain cries on camera Tammy Faye style?
Then take J. Edwards... I thought he was the people's champ but he had something going down on the side like another famous Demo...
What’s the result…. 2 losers who would have handed over the presidency for a 3rd term of George Bush. Please start looking from the macro instead from the muck and minutia of the mainstream media (check CSPAN or Link tv). Remind yourself everyday that Senator Obama is the only reason Cindy isn't placing a "This Bud's for You" sign on the front lawn of the white house in mid-August.
Oh and for Tavis Smiley and the people complaining about Barack Obama isn’t speaking up for black people… He is running for the President of the United States… not black folk. Trust me, he won’t forget that he’s partially black when Hillary will be in the senate reminding him every day that she got all the White votes….. in West Virgina. Botti Boy with Vegas style please.
9.69... head held high tappin my chest as I cross the finish line.
... Oh, and for the record: in American politics, you make your "voice heard" by voting. Every one of the so-called 18 million who voted for Hillary in the primaries -- IF YOUR VOICE WASN'T HEARD, WE WOULDN'T BE QUOTING 18 MILLION NOW, WOULD WE?
And "catharsis?" If I were a woman who voted for Hillary, who happened to LOSE on her own demerits, I would be embarassed to then have the entire nation believing I now need a "catharsis." Like Hillary Clinton broke up with me in a relationship. How embarassing.
Guy A: So... what are they still crying about?
Guy B: They said their voices weren't heard. Whatever that means?
Guy A: Meaning... they can't accept that their candidate lost?
Guy B: No. I mean, yeah, but... They need catharsis.
Guy A: What?
Guy B: I don't know, man. My wife explained it to me. Something about needing time for closure?
Guy A: We are still talking about voting for a politician right?
"If there is a coup at the convention then the democrats will not be able to win the election"
Exactly. What would this gain..outside of the beginning of my serious investigation of moving oversees?
A book comes out full of untruths and is the #1 bestseller. Problems come up with Russia which is the Republicans favorite issue. Obama is holding his own but the over-careful approach has some weakness - and you guys are still all uptight about Hillary? Let's face it, he needs her support and he's getting it.
"It would be WEAK if Obama didn't allow Hillary to speak at the convention. "
Truer words have not been spoken.
GOT A BAAAD feeling that the dems are gonna mess this up- AGAIN
Black (Independents) Independence is the forward progressive move - wake up!
I am dissapointed in Obama for allowing this. At some point right around The Rev. Wright challenge he became too conciliatory. This could be viewed as a weak individual not strong enough to lead the country on day 1.
You can stp worrying, I just got off a conference call. The system is set up so that if Hillary is getting too many votes at the convention roll call the states will be ablteto pass on getting their votes counted until O is assured the nomination. This will make sure he's not embarrassed. Pretty damn sad the way the powers that be have worked this out so that the chick doesn't punk your hero.
But I thought you cared nothing for Senator Obama. Why do you care? Senator Obama recognizes that the Clintons owned the Democratic party and he came out of the blue and knocked them off their perch. In fairness, the Clintons endured endless investigations from the day he was first sworn in, and I think they feel they are owed two thrones. That said, Obama needs all of Hillary's voters, not the reported 72 percent.
That's right Vegas guy...
the whole election has been rigged in Obama's favor. (sigh-Al Gore style) No one wanted to talk about how Hillary got the questions before hand in the primary debates. ABC's railroad job of a debate was conducted by boilermaker George Stephanopoulos. He was the campaign manager in Bill Clinton's presidential campaign...bias anyone???. .
News flash: My friend, besides filtering money to key politicians and lobby groups (which they all do), the mainstream media is the majority of the Clinton political machine. That's what's so amazing about Obama's victory.
The irony is that Obama is out maneuvering Clintons (and McCain) by "following the rules" (Mich & Florida, ever changing total delegate count, no obvious ties to Columbia, no side deals with the Canadians conservative party (don’t test me on NAFTA vegas)) and using a medium outside of the Clinton reach... the internet.
Don't sweat the polls, (Especially Zogby and Gallup). How many times has a pollster called you on your Cell phone? Unless I'm mistaken, I think they only call land lines. Most people voting for Obama use cell phones.
Vegasstyleguy = exposed fraud... Now act like a real liberal and support the chosen leader or open up another can of MGD or bud so Mrs. McCain can profit off pushing legal drugs down kids throats…. Cheers
Jumping on the Clintons at this point in time seems childish. Alliances shift, thats politics and Obama is a politician.
I totally agree w/you Dr. Hill. And when African Americans decide that we should not have to worry about offending Caucasians when it comes to telling the truth, then we can really start to move ahead.
