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Posted Monday, August 11, 2008 11:16 AM

Thoughts on John Edwards

Marc Lamont Hill

On Friday, it was revealed that John Edwards had been engaged in an extramarital affair during 2006. Here are my thoughts:

•    To many the National Enquirer is nothing more than a tawdry rag that prints unfounded accusations. (As someone who’s been in the magazine, I can confirm that this is often the case.) Nevertheless, the National Enquirer isn’t always wrong. In fact, the tabloid is often the only publication with the courage to print lingering truths about public figures. While the national media chose to ignore the Edwards rumors --which only gives credence to GOP accusations of liberal media bias-- the Enquirer aggressively pursued the story to the end. Maybe next time, we’ll believe them…
•    I have never seen Edwards look more unconvincing than in Thursday’s ABC interview in which he denied being the father of the child. Shady Fact #1: Edwards paid the woman more than $100,000 to do video production despite having no experience. Shady Fact #2: When asked if he had given the woman hush money, Edwards said that he hadn’t, but that it was possible one of his friends or supporters had done so (unbeknownst to him of course) in order to protect him. Shady Fact #3: The National Enquirer reports having a picture of him holding the baby in front of a Los Angeles Hotel, a charge that Edwards denies. At this point, if I have to choose between trusting Edwards and The Enquirer, I'm riding with the paper... Shady Fact #4: When asked if he was the father, Edwards said that he couldn’t be “based on the timing.” If I had a dollar for every man who has said that one… Bottom line, if Edwards is not the father, he will be as surprised and happy as this brother.

•    John Edwards political career is over. Of course, after losing two national election bids and failing to win his own state, this is far from a bold prediction. Still, in a world of crazy comebacks and unpredictable outcomes, Edwards remains dead in the political water for two reasons: 1) After positioning himself as America’s moral conscience on topics like housing, poverty, and (ahem) deadbeat dads, people will forever see Edwards as a slickster with an angle rather than a principled platform. 2) Female voters will never respect a candidate who cheated on his terminally ill wife.
•    The conservative media has gone to great lengths to link the Edwards scandal to Barack Obama and the November election. Somehow, they argue that voters will use the Edwards scandal as a reason to doubt the morality and ethics of the broader Democratic party. First, if Democratic voters cared that much about John Edwards, they would have voted for him. More importantly, if voters decide to use the elections as a referendum on sex scandals, the Republicans still have the market cornered on furtive freakiness. Fortunately, John McCain has refused to participate in this senseless attack. To be sure, given McCain’s own history of womanizing, this is a pragmatic rather than principled decision. This, of course, raises another question: Why are we so outraged at Edwards but continue to give Senator McCain a pass?

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Posted By: DrewReason (August 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM)

I disagree with you on a lot of counts.  Female voters have become pretty near anesthesized to political wife cheaters.  NYTIMES's Dowd and the other one, Collins?,  make passing and dismissive remarks about the  affair.  It's the lie that people are weary of. .

My other thought is did you not agree that this man should be Obama's runner up?   I've always thought he'd be a nightmare simply b/c he's from NC, but ya'll --you and Melissa-thought different.

(hehe)

I also disagree that this affair will ruin his political career.   He was too perfect, too golden.  Elizabeth is a dear sweet woman, but come on, he looks 36 standing next to her.  I have always wondered if he and she were the real thing.....and when I saw him in person, I just doubted...He's too good to be true, and he is a really handsome man, handsome like JFK handsome.

I believe that this hot eurotrash mess will push McCain's affair to the forefront simply b/c McCain's divorce and affair was so long ago, not many know about it.

That woman that he was dallying around with, her real name isn't even Rielle Hunter.  It's something like Lisa Drucker.

And she's pathetic.      


Posted By: tayja76 (August 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM)

I never liked Edwards I thought he was hiding something, he always looked to slick. Glad my feelings were proven correct.

Now back to McCain, HE HAD AN AFFAIR?

Who would have him? He can't even lift his arms above his head. I mean really...how was he able to even carry out the act of...well you know what I mean.

The woman had to be desperate.

Although I didnt like Edwards I can see women throwing themselves at him but old wrinkley, no way!


Posted By: realtalk34 (August 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM)

This nation has a history of well respected men cheating on their wives: John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, and Bill Clinton just to name a few.   These men continue to be revered and highly respected.  Well, Bill Clinton not so much :-)  Like DrewReason mentioned, women have become accustomed to political wife cheaters.  Do you really think women are that SHOCKED that Goody Boy John Edwards found a way to get his groove on? I don't think so.  


Posted By: kcherelle (August 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM)

As I understand it, Elizabeth Edwards was in remission when the affair was taking place. Her current struggle with cancer follows her -second- diagnosis.

Male voters should object to Edwards' transgressions nonetheless, and if those above me are correct...it is a sad state of affairs when -anyone- is desensitized to hypocrisy.

See the following article, it explains that -- while Edwards' infidelity, in isolation, may not be enough to denounce his character -- his actions directly contradict his judgment of Bill Clinton, as well as his positions on 'family values':

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/10/john-edwards/


Posted By: Patra (August 11, 2008 at 4:59 PM)

Posted By: realtalk34 (August 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM)

This nation has a history of well respected men cheating on their wives: John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, and Bill Clinton just to name a few.   These men continue to be revered and highly respected.

That doesn't apply to all of us.

As a teenager, when I discovered that Dr. King had cheated on his wife, it took away from the respect I had for him.  Indeed, he was a great civil rights leader, but a lousy husband....weak willed and weak minded.

John Edwards is no less...weak willed and weak minded, and a pig to boot.  To do this while his wife is battling a deadly disease is just low.  As for Senator McCain, he is a filthy old pig.  

What gets to me is that these men have absolutely no regard for their wives, and for god's sake, their children.  The embarassment that wives and children go through must be close to unbearable.  What a selfish thing to do to one's family.

I've often thought that men continue to cheat because they feel they have nothing to lose.  Many wives do not leave their husbands for cheating...they'll do their share of withholding sex until they're not angry anymore, then forgive...while wondering, everytime he leaves the house, if he's going to be with another "her"...or the same one he was screwing, prior to getting busted.

Nasty....just nasty....


Posted By: sealtrack (August 11, 2008 at 5:03 PM)

Who would have John McCain?  That old man has pulled better tail than a Victoria's Secret sale.  First off, he is a war hero.  A former Navy fighter pilot. And, the son and grandson of two of the most decorated Admirals in Naval history. And, in his day, not a bad looking guy.  The reason he can't move his arms above his head is because a bunch of sadistic jagoffs broke his shoulders, you jacka$$.  I doubt he would have to raise his hands above his head to get...well, you know.  Christ, you can't even say 'sex'.  I doubt you've ever had it.  Why does McCain get a pass? He admitted to his transgressions and didn't deny them.  America can forgive someone that comes clean.  It is the lying about it when you know you are caught that ticks people off.  Besides, five years in a POW camp should garner a few points.  Don't you think?

Regardless of what Edwards looks like, he has been an ambulance chasing scumbag since time began.  He was a jerk as a high school student, an undergrad at Clemson and on into life.  This behavior surprises nobody who knew the guy.  Most are surprised by how long it took to figure him out for the rest who didn't.  The thing that gets me is he ran for the highest office knowing that it would most likely be found out.  What a pompass ass.

But, this behavior is not for us to judge.  His family has dealt with it and it is nobody else's business.  What he did was not for me.  But, if his wife forgives him, then what's the beef?  He lied about having an affair? No kidding.  What a shock.  What person hasn't?  It is embarrassing and degrading.  He had to face his wife on the matter and now the public.  And, unless you've been in the house with her, you have no room to pass judgement.  Hell, two weeks with her, you may wish her out of remission yourself.  So, don't be so *** sure of yourself, Moral Mike!

When President Clinton had his affair, the only thing that annoyed me is that he was banging the fat chick.  And, I am registered Republican.  He owed us better than that.  We are the most powerful country in the world and he is taging the help.  Kim Bassinger stayed over.  Tap that.  Make us proud. If I had to see Hillary naked, I wouldn't think twice about outsourcing some oral sex.  Who's with me!?

Anyway, don't make this Senator McCain's or Senator Obama's issue.  Unless you have picture of them fluffing Edwards, it is none of their concern.  Let's try to stay focused and stop attempting to make ourselves feel better by wallowing in the mud of other's lives.


Posted By: ruthiewaltontaylor (August 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM)

What happen in John Edward home should stay there. Honestly, whether he cheated or not the media makes it other people business. There are more things that is happening in the United States in which the people are kept in the dark about, like the war, unemployment and housing for people. Who sleeping with who, who having someone baby or how this people lost weight do not effect my life. John Edwards is a man, not that I agree with it but its his wife and his business. He is no longer in the race for the white house and if he was he did no more are no less than any man in office. His wife forgave him, who are we to judge him.


Posted By: dlong51 (August 11, 2008 at 5:30 PM)

Thank you for your insights...but why are people in this country always so fired up about who is s******* whom?  Too much attention is given to casting stones and being vicarious voyeurs rather than sticking to the issues in elections.  Clearly, The People did not want Mr. Edwards or The People would have voted for him!  That should be enough of a statement about his credibility and desirabilty.  Move on, people, because a lot of men (and women) would cheat if they had a guarantee of not getting caught, make no mistake about it.  The repressed press should give equal time to Mr. McCain's past bad deeds if they are going to give this hot mess any air time at all, or maybe at his age it appears that it might not be a possibility any more.  


Posted By: tayja76 (August 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM)

Sealtrack, grow the hell up! I as so tired of people using McCain's war hero status to hold him up like he is Jesus Cometh! He is a man that did something great in his lifetime as a person in the military.So has many, many other people who are not or have not been in the military done many heroic things that don't get blasted on tv or books written about. Should we hold them in less regard.

So you don't want anyone talking about McCain handicap, why is it ok for you to call someone fat? Is that so much better? You hypocritical so and so.

Oh and yes I can say SEX! Maybe because I'm getting it on the regular how much do you want to bet McCains wife isnt?

Also from my understanding and appreciation of the military that their role is to  fight for my rights as American. Well one of my rights is to be able to say what hell I please and that means if I want to pick at John McCain I damn well can! Remember I may not like what you have to say but I would fight to the death to allow you the right to say it.


Posted By: akwoman (August 11, 2008 at 6:09 PM)

I had some serious questions about John Edwards' moral fabric way back in 2007 when Elizabeth Edwards was diagnosed with terminal cancer and the presidential campaign continued anyway.  I pondered what would happen to the young children if John became the busy "leader of the free world" and Elizabeth passed away while he was in office.  I always wondered why no one found this as disturbing as I did.  


Posted By: MOLLIEANNE (August 11, 2008 at 6:36 PM)

DON'T YOU KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE "HUMAN" WHAT HAS AN "AFFAIR " HAVE TO DO WITH POVERTY??ENDING THE WAR??---THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS---MY GOODNESS STOP HOLDING THEM IN THE HIGHEST ESTEEM AS THOUGH THEY ARE NOT'

AND CAN JOHN CAIN STOP I MEAN STOP REFERRING TO A WAR THAT TOOK PLACE 40 YEARS AGO---NOW REMEMBER HE WAS A PRISONER OF WAR----DOES THAT HAVE ANY BEARING ON YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL BEHAVIOR AND THOUGHTS----YOU KNOW IT DID SOME DAMAGE TO THAT MAN'S ----TELL ME HE'S PLAYING WITH AN UNSCATHED FULL DECK??


Posted By: MOLLIEANNE (August 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM)

DON'T YOU KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE "HUMAN" WHAT HAS AN "AFFAIR " HAVE TO DO WITH POVERTY??ENDING THE WAR??---THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS---MY GOODNESS STOP HOLDING THEM IN THE HIGHEST ESTEEM AS THOUGH THEY ARE NOT'

AND CAN JOHN CAIN STOP I MEAN STOP REFERRING TO A WAR THAT TOOK PLACE 40 YEARS AGO---NOW REMEMBER HE WAS A PRISONER OF WAR----DOES THAT HAVE ANY BEARING ON YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL BEHAVIOR AND THOUGHTS----YOU KNOW IT DID SOME DAMAGE TO THAT MAN'S ----TELL ME HE'S PLAYING WITH AN UNSCATHED FULL DECK??


Posted By: virginia88 (August 11, 2008 at 6:42 PM)

This nation is so forgiving these days! Yet, there are still many who still dream of a political world of integrity and respect... and I guess I'm one of them. I do have relief that not enough supporters rallied him near the White House. Suffice it to say, the nastiest part of it is the fact that his wife is dealing with each day with cancer and this is how HE dealt with it?! How in the world could he have figured that it would stay "private"?! What a stupid man.


Posted By: MizzSpoildAzz (August 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM)

John Edwards was truthful to whom he should have been truthful to....his wife. If she can forgive him, certainly we can. America needs to stop worrying about who is doing who......I want to know if I will be able to feed my children, if we will have a roof over our heads, if we will be able to eat a few times a week, and if they will have good schools to attend. None if that is riding on who is screwing who. If it is not policy condusive to good living, I really do not want to hear about it.....get a life people.


Posted By: samneal2000 (August 12, 2008 at 1:29 AM)

Personally it is not any of yours or anyone else's business what that man or any other public persons does.  We are so fixed on what everybody is doing, all up in everybodys business.  My grandmother once said "If you mind your own business, you don't have time for anybody else's."

Get a life and get out of people's business.


Posted By: bigbill (August 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM)

"Why are we so outraged at Edwards but continue to give Senator McCain a pass?"

We are outraged at Edwards?  How so?  Who "we"?  You didn't sound outraged at him.  I surely am not outraged at him.


Posted By: rastaman (August 12, 2008 at 11:46 AM)

To all the sanctimonious posters for which some public figures infidelity trumps all other achievements, I agree "GROW THE HELL UP!!".  

What kind of infantile thinking makes someone put this sort of thinking into the public thorofare: "As a teenager, when I discovered that Dr. King had cheated on his wife, it took away from the respect I had for him.  Indeed, he was a great civil rights leader, but a lousy husband....weak willed and weak minded."

Geez!!

The man sacraficed his life to change this country and the world and he is great but....

When are we going to grow up in this country about sex?

The sexual urge is human.  We can tolerate a mass murderer as President but if a politiican cheats on his wife that disqualifies him from consideration for high office.  Folks we really have to get our priorities in line around here.  Robbing the national treasury, murdering other people in our name, violating laws left and right  those disqualify people from consideration form high office (The high crime and misdemeanor consideration).   Having sex outside of one's marriage, not so much.  

After further consideration I take it back, I have insulted the intelligence of children by telling folks to grow up.  Go get some therapy because the issue is obviously psychological in nature.  Therapy is a good thing by the way.  


Posted By: kcherelle (August 12, 2008 at 7:51 PM)

Because some commenters are too wrapped up in defending sex to click a link, I'll repeat myself:

Edwards having sex or cheating may not be cause enough to judge him, but when he has said something like THE FOLLOWING:

--From the blog Feministe, August 10--

Additionally, Edwards himself stated, regarding Bill Clinton, that “the moral dimensions” were relevant to the role as President:

   “I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.”

------

...well, that's HYPOCRISY. Not to mention, claiming he/she is "just not there yet" in supporting gay marriage when he is destroying the sanctity of the institution of marriage himself...

has a HUGE impact on the way our country works. You all are giving him (and Clinton and MLK) free rein to destroy the 'sacred family values' conservative (or even mainstream) Americans so firmly cite when a gay American wants the legal right to marry, or when a WOMAN behaves in a similar manner.

In short, while some may see my point as a stretch, condoning certain behaviors (especially when coupled with POLITICAL WRONGDOING) in (especially, but certainly not exclusively WHITE) men who hold positions of power in this country does a lot to maintain patriarchy and homophobia. And that speaks even more to our nation's tendency to be hypocritical when it comes to privacy and respect for EVERYONE, not just men.


Posted By: kcherelle (August 12, 2008 at 8:01 PM)

Regardless, it'd be a much bigger issue if the race for the nomination were ongoing...and if he were ANY part of it...which he certainly wouldn't have been.

While I do think he's selfish, as y'all can see up there...upon further reflection, I also think we'd all do well (instead of alternately accusing commenters of Victorian morals/being nosy and sanctimonious or immoral) to concentrate on the road ahead for Barack and John (McCain, that is. Politicians need more interesting names, in my opinion.)


Posted By: knows2much (August 13, 2008 at 2:34 AM)

I'm outraged.  I don't like being lied to, by my friends, relatives, colleagues or candidates.


Posted By: Patra (August 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM)

Posted By: rastaman (August 12, 2008 at 11:46 AM)

To all the sanctimonious posters for which some public figures infidelity trumps all other achievements, I agree "GROW THE HELL UP!!".  

(((I am grown up, thank you.  Grown up and mature enough to respect the institution of marriage as a married woman, and to have respected it when I was single (I did not mess with married men).  I'm grown up enough to understand the ramifications of cheating on one's spouse...the hurt, anger and humilation that my spouse would feel, if I cheated on him.  Grown up enough to understand that there's a very good chance that my spouse would divorce me, thus leaving my home broken, and that my young sons would grow up without their father in the home.  Grown up enough to understand that all it takes is ONE incident of sexual infidelity by me, to catch a dreaded deadly disease and pass it on to him...or for him to cheat and pass it on to me.  Grown up enough to know that infidelity would destroy my trust in him, or his trust in me.  Grown up enough to respect and cherish the vows we both took, because we both know that a spouse who cheats might love his/her spouse, but does not honor, nor cherish his/her spouse.  Grown up enough to understand that morals and decency are one of the keys to keeping a family together.)))

What kind of infantile thinking makes someone put this sort of thinking into the public thorofare: "As a teenager, when I discovered that Dr. King had cheated on his wife, it took away from the respect I had for him.  Indeed, he was a great civil rights leader, but a lousy husband....weak willed and weak minded."

(((Not infantile thinking, realistic thinking.  Cheating, screwing around on one's spouse is not an accident or a mistake, it is a deliberate act...from the moment he or she lays eyes on said ho (men and women both can be hos) to the time he runs all up and in her, and nuts.  It is nasty and disrespectul.  If a dude wants to run all up and in other women, he should remain single.  If a woman wants a gaggle of dudes to run all up and in her, she should remain single.  When I was single, I had my fun and my share of men...as a married woman, I respect my marriage, and my husband.  If that is infantile, so be it.)))

The man sacraficed his life to change this country and the world and he is great but....

(The man sacrificed his life, yes, but he still disrespected his wife.  Whether or not she chose to forgive him, doesn't change that.  He, a minister, a man of God, broke his vows.  Because he chose to.  One CAN remain faithful...IF one CHOOSES to.  I am living proof of that.  I believe my husband is, also.)))

When are we going to grow up in this country about sex?

(((When are we going to understand that there are boundaries in a marriage union that should not be crossed, and that infidelity is one of many??)))

The sexual urge is human.

(((No one disputes that.  However, as humans, we can also think, reason and determine what is right and what is wrong.  We can take a second and think about the ramifications of our actions.  We can take a minute and imagine the anger, pain, suffering, resentment, distrust and possible failure of a marriage, that can result from a spouse cheating.  Men can realize that women are in a very STRONG position as respects not needing men financially, that we do not have to put up with infidelity.  We can divorce and move on.  Men can do the same, and in fact do -- stats show that men are more likely to divorce women due to infidelity than women are to divorce men. )))

We can tolerate a mass murderer as President but if a politiican cheats on his wife that disqualifies him from consideration for high office.

(((No, it disqualifies him from being a god fearing, decent, loving husband)))


Posted By: Patra (August 13, 2008 at 2:17 PM)

Forgot to add that I would leave my husband if he ever cheated on me.  I will not tolerate such nastiness and disrespect...I'm BETTER than that.  I am worthy of a decent, faithful husband...and will settle for no less.  So far he has been that.  I hope he remains as such.


Posted By: nola_diva (August 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM)

To Patra:  I can respect your views for the most part but part of being grown up and realistic is that we understand that not everything is not made up of absolutes.  As a woman, I hold fidelity and faithfulness right up there with my faith of God.  However, in doing so i also recognize that actions, deliberate or not can oftentimes still be mistakes.  The mistake can be the consequence of an act not simply the act itself.  And your statement that Edwards' act "disqualifies him from being a god fearing, decent, loving husband" is WAYYYY over the top.  We Christians believe that Christ paid for our sins and that we are not perfect and as such, no one act necessary condems us forever.  That is what forgiveness and salvation and God's Grace promises us.  I didn't intend to make my point to you in these 'religious' terms, but in this case it seemed appropriate because of your strong dismissal of Edwards.  For the record, yes he was untruthful and sinful in his actions regarding this situation.  However, we need to be careful about casting stones and being so absolute because there but by the Grace of God.....

Oh, and I do wish you and husband continue to enjoy a successful marriage.  But keep in mind that the vows you hold so dear also included admonishments to perservere in both good and bad times, etc., etc.


Posted By: Patra (August 13, 2008 at 5:29 PM)

nola_diva, I hear you about staying in "good times and bad".  But I draw the line at infidelity, esp. now that infidelity can actually cost an innocent spouse his/her health/life (HIV/AIDS).  Any married person who would cheat, knowing that disease could be one of the consequences, and who would be so careless with my life (let alone his own); that is unforgiveable, and are moral and legal grounds for divorce.


Posted By: reinadelaz (August 13, 2008 at 6:05 PM)

The only thing that outrages me about the entire scandal is that he thinks Americans are stupid enough to believe that isn't his kid! I cannot stand it when politicians act as if we are stupid!


Posted By: The Spaniard (August 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM)

"I am grown up, thank you.  Grown up and mature enough to respect the institution of marriage as a married woman, and to have respected it when I was single"

Where can we mail your cookie?


Posted By: Patra (August 14, 2008 at 12:43 PM)

Posted By: The Spaniard (August 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM)

"I am grown up, thank you.  Grown up and mature enough to respect the institution of marriage as a married woman, and to have respected it when I was single"

Where can we mail your cookie?

Well, I guess if I'd said I fucked married men as a single woman...or that I *** around as a married woman, that would have deemed me "grown up" in your eyes...

Hmmmm...guess you don't respect the institution of marriage...in that case, I don't need the cookie (I'm watching my waistline, thank you)...you do.


Posted By: watstearns (August 14, 2008 at 9:09 PM)

I think Edwards' career may be over only because the parasitic elite want it to be, and this has nothing to do with popular sentiments.  Do Pelosi and Obama seem focused more on making the world work for poor and working people, or on getting in the big chair?  And when they get there, are they going to be more focused on making the world work for poor and working people, or keeping the big chair?  These people want populism like Pat Robertson wants to save the Muslim soul.

As far as Edwards getting laid -- I don't see how a guy like that can avoid it.  He must be swarmed wherever he goes.  And who could resent Clinton, or even, heaven forfend, Bush (that little secret chocolate lover, by some cheeky accounts), getting a little?   I mean forget that Hillary could have inspired a certain Led Zepplin tune about who's got soul and who don't, and that Laura is obviously a refugee from the latest Stepford remake, what the hell is the point of being the leader of the free world if you can't -- you know.  And I think most people agree.

Simply put, this affair was for Edwards what the fated "scream" was for Howard Dean -- a one way railroad ticket to stage left, courtesy your local media baron.


Posted By: MilesEllison (August 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM)

There are only two people who should care about this.  John Edwards and his wife.  They are the only two people in this marriage.  


Posted By: Phillips (August 15, 2008 at 8:03 AM)

Thanks for your thoughts - I, too, find the outrage about Edwards hard to understand when the Republicans, including McCain and Gingrich, have plenty of evidence of similar behavior.   At least Edwards didn't ask his wife to come sit or stand by him as he made his belated confession to the public.  Such affairs seem to be so common to politicians, that it is hard to believe anyone can say Edwards is finished politically.  Is this worse than the right-wing married man who had homosexual affairs, and was later re-elected by his loyal constituents?  

Part of me longs for the good old days when we were spared hearing about politicians' affairs.  I am a woman and really tired of hearing about them and their excuses.  It is no surprise, but it doesn't mean I want to know.  Who can be surprised - it seems the nature of their world and their personalities.  Shrinking violets do not become politicians.


Posted By: Robin08 (August 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM)

realtalk34 -- True enough there have been many cheaters in politics, but I don't think it's accurate to compare the era of JFK, RFK and MLK cheating to today, insofar as your assertion that these cheaters continue to be highly respected.  The general public did not learn of JFK, RFK or MLK's cheating until long after all three men were dead.  Who's to say how it would have affected their political stature were they subjected to the 24/7 media blitz on their private lives that is common today.

By the by, I wasn't aware RFK was caught cheating.  I included him because he was part of "your" list of cheaters.


Posted By: Robin08 (August 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM)

Posted By: sealtrack (August 11, 2008 at 5:03 PM)

Why does McCain get a pass? He admitted to his transgressions and didn't deny them.  America can forgive someone that comes clean.  It is the lying about it when you know you are caught that ticks people off.  Besides, five years in a POW camp should garner a few points.  Don't you think?

sealtrack -- Just when did McCain's personal trangressions become public knowledge?  The majority of the country isn't even aware of McCain's womanizing persona because the media hasn't covered it.  When did McCain "publicly" admit to being a womanizer?  Since he's been running there was a little dust-up about some lobbyist he was supposed to be fooling around with, but he denied that.

Just like Edwards stepped out Elizabeth in her time of need (dealing with cancer), McCain stepped out on his first wife during her time of need (she was permanently injured, disfigured, disabled and recovering from a serious car accident).  To add insult to injury McCain stepped out with a woman 18 years his junior.  McCain has made so many lude, crass, vulgar remarks (on the record) about women, including his own wife, calling her the c-word.

Being held as a POW does not excuse poor moral behavior.


Posted By: Robin08 (August 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM)

rastaman --

I would not say a public figure's infidelity trumps all other achievements, but I would say the manner in which one handles public disclosure of private facts is a window into that person's character.

It's unfortunate that these type of private matters are now public domain, but that is the reality.  For me it is troubling to see someone continue to lie and obfuscate after being caught red handed.  That leads me to suspect the person may be prone to sacrifice the greater good in order to protect personal pride and/or avoid public embarrassment.  That's not a good leadership trait.  Particularly in seeking an office where your actions can literally affect millions of lives.  In that kind of position I want some degree of confidence that personal pride will not trump the greater good.

I think tricky *** got it right during the Watergate scandal when he said, 'it's the lie -- it's the cover-up that gets you.'  If it's apparent that the jig is up -- just come clean -- people will respect you for that and see that you aren't willing to place your personal pride above the greater good.

Thank goodness Edwards was not the Democratic Party nominee and that this came out in time to keep him off Obama's ticket.


Posted By: soulful (August 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM)

From sealtrack... "America can forgive someone that comes clean.  It is the lying about it when you know you are caught that ticks people off. "

Uh, sorry, but I wonder how "forgiving" all the many, many dead American soldiers' families would feel toward that monster Bush if he ever "came clean" about the completely baseless war he LIED us into... the same war your sick *** hero McCain doesn't think twice about continuing "forever."

On a lighter side, you (sealtrack) also said about McCain, "... not a bad looking guy." Eew dude. A big. huge. EEWW... YOU do him then, man, ew.

And if you think Monica Lewinsky is a fat chick... you're a moron... oh sorry, you admitted that already, being a republican and all. Your comments about women in general are as piggish as any of these lying politicians... guess you're proud of that, though. Guess you're alone, too. Sorry for you... hope you learn some day before you're also as old and oogly as McCain the crypt  keeper. Of course, I'm being polite and assuming you aren't already.


Posted By: MaryRuthD (August 16, 2008 at 2:01 AM)

Only women will not respect a candidate who cheated on his terminally ill wife?  Is there something stopping the men from seeing this as a serious betrayal by the Father of the Year of the mother of his children? Are women the only ones wise enough to see the hypocrisy?  If so, that's too bad, and it begs the question: what would it take for men to wonder about the capabilities of a cheating man?


Posted By: camibroad (August 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM)

My theory behind being upset with politicians for cheating on their wives is.....why should I be mad if they are going to continue to stand behind these cheaters. If this politician whom ever it may be is going to cut taxes, improve education, and bring more jobs I don't care if he's dating my 2nd grade teacher. Go Mrs. Griffin!!!!!


Posted By: madd_maxx (August 24, 2008 at 9:25 AM)

I really have sympathy for his wife and family. However, I wasn't surprised to learn of his affair. He struck me, as full of himself with no regard to anyone but himself. Just glad he's not on the ticket. Believe his career is finished, and rightly, so...