The Root | TheRoot.com
Skip Navigation
Cancel

Blog Title

  •  
Full Post
Posted Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:05 PM

There goes Pennsatucky [call]

melissa harrislacewell

Marc,

I spent Saturday in your city.  My 6-year-old daughter and I were knocking on doors all over Philadelphia as a part of the Women for Obama volunteer mobilization. I was there to support my candidate and because I really wanted to hear what people on the ground in PA were saying about the election.  

In the morning they mostly talked to me about issues: the economy, the war and education. By afternoon it was different. This is what kept happening:

Me: “Hi, we are volunteering with Obama for America and we are encouraging folks to come out and support Barack on April 22nd.”

Philadelphia resident who answered the door: “No problem. I like your guy.  But did you hear what he said?  Something about guns and God.  Makes no difference to me, but he is going to have to worry about those folks out in Pennsatucky.” 

Me: “Where?” 

It turns out that some urban dwellers in Philly refer to their fellow citizens in the vast expanse of land between Market Street and Pittsburgh as Pennsatuckians; residents of the Alabama of the Northeast.  According the press, the voters I talked to, and the Clinton machine, these folks like their guns, God and bitterness.  Charlton Heston’s recent passing not withstanding, these voters are still not planning to relinquish them.  (Although now that his hands are cold and dead I thought we might have a chance of wresting the weapons away.) 

Now Obama’s Pennsylvania surge is seriously threatened because he argued accurately, that despite campaign promises, no administration in the past two decades, Republican or Clinton, has managed to seriously address blue-collar job loss.  He argued a common theme of pundits, strategists, political researchers and populists: that Republicans for two decades have used wedge issues related to gun control, race and religion to draw working class white voters into political coalitions that do not serve their economic interests.  

Opportunistic Clinton pounced.  Now we are supposed to believe, the week after learning that her chief campaign strategist is brokering labor deals with Colombia that are even more destructive than her hubby’s beloved NAFTA, that she is a the blue-collar solidarity candidate?  

HRC argues that this episode indicates Obama is unelectable.  The Clinton camp says that McCain will paint Obama as an elitist. No doubt the GOP will let the multi-millionaire wife of a past president run as the candidate of the common man.  

Since Bill told us last week, that at 60 Hillary can’t be expected to make good sense after 11PM, there will be no more telephone ringing at 3AM ads for HRC. I hear she is planning to be release an ad this week where she is duck hunting while reciting the Lord’s prayer. That’ll win ya Pennsatucky.  

I don't believe it. Rural voters and urban voters want solutions. They want jobs that feed their family, provide access to health care and offer them security in their old age.  I believe they want a president who reads books, thinks hard about tough issues, and takes all sides into account before rushing headlong into ill-advised policy. I have watched the people of downstate Illinois overcome other people's preconceived notions of them to support Barack in record numbers.  I believe the people of Pennsylvania want change. 


So Marc, what do you think? We all know you dislike Barack, but you have to agree that this is a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. (Please excuse the elitist  Shakespearean reference)

Melissa 

You must be a registered user to comment.  Click here to register.  Already a user?  Click here to login.

Member Comments

Posted By: Cobb (April 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM)

FYI, Pennsatucky is just another ghetto. Out here in LA, such a place is often called "Inglewatts", use your imagination. The elitist Shakepearean reference isn't the only one in your post, but I don't think you noticed it until now. I expect that you will desire to see Mr. Obama put on a different mask, one appropriate to the sensibilities of whichever ghetto he is rhetorically placating on his all things to all people tour. I'm sure your desire will be satisfied, but that will be the satisfaction of the speakers and not the audience.

By the way, vis a vis your new boogabear Blue Collar Job Loss, could you specify that, you know with like unemployment statistics?


Posted By: ladybee21 (April 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM)

Cobb,

You sound bitter, perhaps you should go to church and vote for McCain or Clinton--which multi-millonare living off their spouses undeserved windfall do you prefer?


Posted By: ken (April 13, 2008 at 9:09 PM)

Criminy!  It's Pennsyltucky, get it straight.


Posted By: kid5rivers (April 14, 2008 at 3:18 AM)

"...this is a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing."

Hey, Professor! You stole my lines! Well! Not exactly MY lines, but, the lines I was gonna use.

Guess, then, that all I can add to what you wrote is, "Touché!"

By the way, your other blog is down. :-(


Posted By: reinadelaz (April 14, 2008 at 3:48 AM)

I am so glad Senator Obama did not back down from his not-so-well-made point. Why is it elitist for a candidate to tell the truth? He said, "It's not surprising..." Why would anyone take that as a negative to start with? If he is not surprised, doesn't that indicatethat he has an UNDERSTANDING of the problems they face and the attitudes they have? Don't we have to start with a basic understanding of the problems in order to ADDRESS them??  I still cannot get over the fact that the Democrats are pandering to the redneck vote, but as long as HRC can keep the poor bickering about race, the rich can keep getting richer!! And , COBB, I will not cite stats either, but don't you act like you don't know that the American blue collar has been traded by millions for a blue smock at WALmart!


PingBack from http://natthedem.com/blog/?p=544


Posted By: mike (April 14, 2008 at 4:23 AM)

Marc is MIA.


Posted By:   Quote of the Day by ripples of hope (April 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM)

PingBack from http://natthedem.com/blog/?p=547


Posted By: Nefarious Muse (April 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM)

With all due respect, you just don't get it!  Obama insulted a whole group of people by saying they aren't capable of rational thought and only believe what they do because they are "bitter".  Grant it, he's the only one talking about the problems of rural American, but any good that did him was undone by the way in which he delivered his message.    What he said has a kernel of truth to it, but the way in which he said it, and the audience to whom the comments were delivered make the comments arrogant and elitist.  All those inroads he had made to try and heal some of the gap in this country, he has undone....

Red state Americans aren't all racist rednecks like one of the posters below seems to think.  In fact, the vast majority aren't racist rednecks, but hardworking folks who have more in common with African Americans than they have different.  It's the parties (both of them) and the media that have convinced us all that we are enemies to each other.  You even use the term "overcome other people's preconceived notions".  It seems like you think that those "preconceived notions" were right and that the people are "overcoming" not the notions, but their natures.  If you meant that the preconceived notions were wrong, you should have been a bit more careful with your phrasing because it doesn't come across that way.

Most people STEREOTYPE the NASCAR demographic, a group of people they have very little contact with, based on what the media tells them.  Why is it that we as a society (or at least the right-thinking ones among us) have begun to reject doing this when it comes to races, national origin, sexual preference and religion, but it's still okay to stereotype and bash poor whites? Are those poor whites who have little to no chance of ever escaping poverty any less deserving of our sympathy than the kid born in Compton?

This attitude is no better  than those educated white people who think they know how to "fix" Americans of color but have never actually spent any time with anyone who wasn't a suburban WASP.   Not that a person of color can't have an opinion on Red State America, but, honestly, how much time have you spent there?  How many people do you really know who are from there and still live there?

You might be surprised if you ventured out.  

As a mixed-race American who was raised in the part of the country Obama denigrated and someone who is from downstate Illinois, I have some insight into this.  As a mixed race child in the 70s, I endured all sorts of insults:  children who would not play with me because I wasn't white, being called every racial slur you can think of, etc.   It wasn't like living in the Jim Crow south, but it wasn't like growing up in suburban Los Angeles either.

I wanted Obama to win, both because he's mixed-race and because I thought he could move us past the red-state/blue-state dialogue.  I thought he was the one man who saw the problems of minorities and the problems of poor whites and cared about both.  I thought he was the man who would start a new dialogue on poverty- both urban and rural- and start rebuilding some of our crumbling infrastructure. I've been in the worst of the worst in terms of urban ghettos and I've been in the worst of the worst in terms of grating rural poverty.  Both are a national shame.  Both deserve attention.  The failure of all levels of government during Katrina is unforgivable.  The daily failure of all levels of government in providing for the needs of poor children- white or black, urban or rural- is even worse because it's not something sudden and unprecedented.  I thought Obama was the man to wake us up to this.  I thought he'd start a new war on poverty, racism and division.  So, unlike most of the people I know, I wasn't voting for Obama on foreign policy grounds or just because of his race, I was voting for him because he had that "preacher vibe"...the great healer.  The one who could start us on the path to making this country what it can and should be...

When I went back to that racist white town where I grew up last summer I was surprised by two things: (1) The population is now about 30% non-white!  There are even some African Americans and Mexicans in positions of authority.  I didn't hear a single racist comment. My husband, who is of another race entirely, was treated with great hospitality and never once felt as if his race was a factor. (Though his being Californian...) Wow.  Incredible social progress.  (2) Almost all the democrats I knew and a healthy dose of the Republicans were pro-Obama.  And for the same reasons I was pro-Obama.  

They saw his race as a positive, not a negative.  And they liked the fact that he actually talked about them and their problems...and didn't just assume that poor rural whites without resources just deserved to be poor.  Yes, people in those areas are bitter....but not just because of the lack of jobs but because it's culturally acceptable to insult them and stereotype them (see another posters "redneck" commentary below).  Obama was the first person since, well, probably FDR, that actually talked about them and their issues in a way that wasn't one-dimensional and didn't have the message "I'm an educated person and you are a dumb hick, so I know better".  

And then he makes those comments in SF.  I didn't want to believe it.  But then I went and read what he said.  He took that wedge he'd been mending and drove the stake just that much deeper...because he'd given the people hope that someone finally cared and understood.   The worst thing you can do is give people hope and take it away.  

I've been waiting for him to really explain and apologize...to give another brilliant speech like his "Race Speech" but it hasn't come.   If it doesn't come, he's lost the election because he's not only lost those "Red Staters", but he's also lost those Reaganites who had supported him (many more than people realize) and many people like myself who have their feet in several worlds- the old American farming "white" world, the worlds of the several races that I inherited from my grandparents, the world of the reservations where I mentor students,  and the world of urban inner-city poverty which I address daily in my job working with kids who need an advocate.

You may have thought he was just "speaking the truth", but, for me, as someone who loves and cares about the plight all Americans and views us all as equal individuals worthy of respect and considered thought, I have to tell you that he did actually insult that demographic in must the same way as Hillary insulted African Americans by her "It takes a President" comment.  While there was some small grain of truth behind what she said (i.e. the establishment had to come to it's senses and act), it was insulting, demeaning and came from an arrogant place.   I don't, however, think it came from a race-hating place, I just think that Obama grew up a very privileged life and he just doesn't get it.     We all tend to focus on his blackness, but forget that his high school and college years were spent in a place that most of us could never aspire to when we were young.  

I worried from the start this would be a problem, but I thought it would be African Americans saying "You're not black like me" that would be his undoing because he didn't suffer quite the same way in which a lot of African Americans suffer.  I'm sure everything he says in his book is true, but that just puts him on par with someone like me.  It doesn't put him on par with someone who grew up in the Jim Crow south.  Or an urban housing project.    While he's overcome that in terms of the African American vote, he may not be able to overcome that background in terms of the "working class" and "farmer" vote.  

I fear he has just succeeded in doing what Hillary's attack machine could not: drive a wedge between himself and those "simple white folk" out in the red states.  Hell, not even the Reverend White thing did that because all the people I talked to afterwards who fit that "Redneck" demographic understood (several from downstate Illinois).  One of them even said bluntly  "Well, it's not like this country hasn't given blacks a reason to be angry".  Now, he's rethinking his support for Obama.  Kinda hard to really rally behind someone who seems to think you only feel as you do because your poor situation has made you bitter and angry and that is driving your logic train.  That's really no different than minimizing the criticisms people of color have on the grounds they've become "angry" and aren't thinking rationally, but thinking out of anger.  As if the two are mutually exclusive.

I can't tell you how many times I hear white people, who don't know I'm mixed, say things like "Blacks only see things in racial terms.  They see racism when it isn't there.  They are so angry you can't have a rational conversation with them".   In other words, because they are so emotional about things, because they are so bitter, their beliefs and their complaints aren't legitimate.  

That's very close to what Obama said about the guns and God crowd.

Oh, and just for the record, white rural America believed in guns, god and hard work long before things became so bad for them.  It's worse now than it's been since the Depression.  That's true, but that's not what drives there belief system.  

And taking away their guns won't help the urban crime rate one bit.  All it will succeed in doing is making sure they starve...and have no way to defend themselves.  There are sections of this country where people still hunt for food (can't afford not to) and where there is no effective animal control or law enforcement.  You want to get these people to change their minds about guns, provide them with jobs so they don't have to hunt, give them more of your taxes so they can afford cops and animal control, etc. And implement Obama's proposals about healthcare in rural and urban underserved areas.

At some point, we have to separate the guns/God thing from the immigrant thing too, because they are driven by different motives and they come from very different places.  Even then, I'd have to say I've heard more anti-immigrant commentary by the suburban white people I know than by rural whites.  Hell, without immigrants or African Americans willing to move out to those places, there'd be no doctors or nurses.  The vast majority of those people of color who now live in my childhood home town went their to take "professional" positions that the white Americans would not fill.  Plus, farmers whose's sons are either gone for good or off at war rely on Mexican labor to keep them going.

Oh, and those "rednecks" are dying right beside hispanics and blacks in Iraq.  I'm convinced part of the reason no one seems to care enough about Iraq to do anything is that it's only poor minorities and poor rural whites who fight the wars anymore.  In other words, not anyone that the suburban white voter has any contact with.  

No, rural America is not perfect, but it is changing.  There are still plenty of Jenas out there, but they are fewer every year.  Most of the noose incidents I've read about have been in more urban areas or on college campuses.  (College, after all, is not where uneducated rural whites hang out).   And, in the end, the attitudes and power of middle class and affluent whites in the more populated areas are currently doing the bulk of the harm.  It's easy to rally around something like Jena, but the effect of racism that occurs every day in Blue states is far more damaging and we are turning our eyes to it.  The vast, vast majority of children I work with are children of color.  And yet, none of the suburban white (or Asian) Californians I know are even aware of how much race is a factor.  They don't know, they don't care to know.   If you'd dare suggest raising taxes or changing the tax structure so that the suburbanites who drain urban resources without paying for them, helped shoulder the burden, well, you'd not get elected.

It's easy to mock "rednecks".  Most people don't come in contact with them.  They have no power to lobby for themselves.  They are poor and cut off from the benefits of society.

For every insult I endured as a child, I've heard some idiot suburban WASP say something demeaning about hillbillies, rednecks, etc.  Most don't know I'm from one of those areas because I've not got the accent, I'm educated, I have friends of all races and classes, and I work with under-served urban youth. So I don't fit the profile they have in their head.  

I'm still a Democrat, though not enthusiastically so, because my ancestry includes several races, including both Native American and poor rural white.  Two groups that neither party has done a thing for in a long, long time.  Two groups who also still get mocked and talked down to by well meaning suburban white folk and also by yuppie minorities.  And certainly the Democratic party has been no friend to either group.  At times, its downright hostile and insulting.

I voted for Obama enthusiastically in the primary.  Will I vote for him in November?  At this point, I probably won't have the chance to.  

Yes, rural voters want solutions and the people of downstate Illinois wanted Obama.  They NEEDED Obama. They don't now.  They've turned.  He insulted them.  You can call it what you will, Melissa, but the insult is in the eye of the beholder.  It doesn't matter what Hillary's intentions in her "it takes a President" comment were. It doesn't matter what Bustamante meant when he said "niggardly".  What mattered was that it insulted people.  

Your opinion of what Obama said, what he meant to say, doesn't matter.  What matters is what the NASCAR vote, the coal miner vote, the farmer vote, thinks. And they think it was an insult.  

He needs to fix it now, as he did in the Race Speech, or it's over.  And then we will all lose.  

PS Many whites felt that he was a bit harsh on Grandma too, but they let that one slide...


Posted By: lalady (April 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM)

nefarious muse:  do you REALLY think that anybody's gonna read all that???  why is it that the folks with the least amount of comprehesion often write the longest posts???   hmmm...

maybe it would ease your mind to know that bill clinton, among others, has expressed this same "bitter" sociological truism.  a fact is a fact is a fact...


Posted By: dnewyorker (April 15, 2008 at 12:36 AM)

That fact that you think what Obama said was the truth and not an insult shows how blind you are to the political reality of this election.  Yes Clinton is opportunistic.  But theses comments and Rev Wright won't hold a candle against the ugly dirty Republican media machine that will smother Obama.  I would like to see the democratics in the White House...Obama doesn't have the right 'judgment' to get there.


Posted By: kid5rivers (April 15, 2008 at 8:54 AM)

Dear Nefarious Muse,

Allow me to do what you and those who, for whatever reason, even if they have to make up one, oppose BHO constantly do to things he says: take something out of what you said in your lengthy, detailed comment and use that as the executive summary for my purpose.

Here goes!

"...(Senator Barack Hussein Obama is) the only (presidential candidate-prospect who's) talking about the problems of rural American(s)."

Now! Go figure!


Posted By: duboisist (April 15, 2008 at 9:37 AM)

Dear "lalady"

I read the comment by "Nefarious Muse" and I returned today to complement her/him on a very well reasoned and argued expression of her personal point of view.

You have responded with the same patterns of delegitimization that the Obama campaign has been using since its inception.

Sen. Obama got into trouble because he was "explaining" why some people would support 'Sen. Clinton more than him.  HIS INITIAL POINT was that Clinton supporters weren't making rational decisions based upon their interests and preferences SO their opinions were “WORTH-LESS” than Obama supporters.

What you are witnessing from the Barak Obama campaign (and what you have participated in by making comments like the ones posted above) is the process of generating ideology that when combined with similar behavior of others and power (the coercive ability to unequally distribute resources) over time becomes systems of oppression like racism, sexism, etc.  This is what happens when people who believe that some people are more worthy than others construct excuses to justify the discriminatory behavior they have committed.

One of the first indications that an argument is ideology (besides the fact that they usually violate both the rules of logic and common sense) is the existence of arbitrary “double standards” and disconnection between cause and effect.  This is because the decision was made to do the behavior and it is only after the behavior is criticized that the actor “makes up” an explaining why his/her/their choice was inevitable.

We witness it when someone who has committed domestic violence “explains” how their victim “made them” do it.  We witness it when people tried to “explain” how enslaving blacks, imposing Jim Crows in the United States, or Apartheid in South Africa was OK, fair, Christian, etc. because blacks were “lazy,” “uncivilized,” “irrational,” etc.  We witness it when people “explain” why it’s ok to torture Muslims or kill Iraqis because “we are at war” with “Islamofacists.”

AND we witnessed it when the Obama campaign “explains” that blacks who don’t support him are “scared,” “uneducated” “etc.” and “whites” who prefer someone else are “of an older generation” or “bitter.”  Moreover, the Obama campaign uses the same psychological tactics as most, if not all, of the cults that have ever been studied:

1)  demanding conformity to a stand set by the leader

2)  denying any expression of individuality or independence

3)  claiming that member are “smarter,” “holier,” or in some other way BETTER than non-members

4)  demonizing non-members and claiming that they are the cause of EVERTHING THAT IS BAD OR GOES WRONG

5)  forbidding any criticism of the leader

6)  threatening member who shows any signs of wavering from the strictest adherence with ostracism and/or violence.


Posted By: growth12 (April 15, 2008 at 12:47 PM)

Kid rivers and Nefarious Muse,

I do not think Obama is the second coming (c'mon people, he's a politician trying to win an election, just like his running mates), but I do think you're deluding yourselves if you think Mrs. Clinton cares about blacks, the working class, or even the struggling middle class. I do wish Clintonites would review some of the policies Mrs. Clinton's husband put into place when he was in office--I think you might be shocked. People complain about Bush, but Mr. Clinton was the one who got the sell-out American jobs, punish-the- poor, and reward-corporate-America-with-tax breaks ball rolling. If you want to vote for four more years of status quo (which is killing the majority of us), so be it. But you should at least understand why Obama appeals to so many. Mrs. Clinton, as many have pointed out, is a Republican in Democrat clothing. To vote for Mrs. Clinton expecting that she will be there for women, poor whites, and minorities is delusional.


Posted By: growth12 (April 15, 2008 at 1:10 PM)

Oops, I meant to direct my post to Duboisist and Nefarious. Sorry, Kid Rivers.


Posted By: reinadelaz (April 15, 2008 at 5:46 PM)

Nefarious Muse; You assume way too much, in what senator Obama said and in what I posted as well. Nobody said people are not capable of rational thought. Nobody said red states are all redneck. What I said is I cannot believe the Dems are pandering to the redneck vote -  and they are! And I know as much about rural white America as anyone, still waitng for my son to escape North Florida. If they are insulted by Obama's remarks, it is because they cannot handle the truth. As far as who is dying in Iraq, that is more of the rich getting rich on the backs of the poor. But I sincerely doubt, being mixed race, that you have any honest insight to rural white America. How many times did you eat at a rural white dinner table? Are you familiar withe the company Dixie Outfitters?


Posted By: kid5rivers (April 15, 2008 at 7:27 PM)

Dear growth 12,

No scene!

Bless!


Posted By: wva (April 16, 2008 at 12:16 PM)

I think Hillary's guy was brokering labor deals with Colombia, not Columbia.  That's how I learned to spell the name of the South American country in the redneck public school I attended.


Posted By: Dan Korn (April 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM)

"No doubt the GOP will let the multi-millionaire wife of a past president run as the candidate of the common man."

It's appalling to me that members of the press aren't holding her feet to the fire on this.   It's hard to imagine a setting where being a Wellesley alumna who went on to Yale Law and has previously sat on the corporate board of a Fortune 100 company DOESN'T count as elitist cred. What else would you have to do? Go to Oxford, like Bill did?


Posted By: JacksonWells (April 19, 2008 at 11:14 AM)

BLACK FOLKS NEED TO PICK UP A COUPLE OF BOOKS (ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO SUPPORT OBAMA FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN "HE TALKS ABOUT THE PROBLEMS",  SOLUTIONS NOT NECESSARY).  THOSE BOOKS ARE "THE RISE AND FALL OF JIM CROW" AND THE "MISEDUCATION OF THE NEGRO" BY CARTER G. WOODSON.

I am a black single mother living in Florida.  Yes I am bitter, although I hate guns and I don't believe in organized religion.  I am bitter because the DNC has "grandfather claused" over 1.7 million voters.  I am bitter that Obama didn't realize racism existed until his separatist preacher got caught spewing Klan-type venom.  I am bitter that Obama didn't and still really hasn't acknowledged the situation in Jena as systemic racism not just a "broken system".  I am bitter that Black America and the "great journalists" at ABC & CBS have decided that if you are against Obama, you are a racist or just "bitter" or uneducated.  Now all of you Black Elites can pick which one to use for me.


Posted By: Hydrocodone. (May 16, 2008 at 9:04 PM)

Hydrocodone. Buy hydrocodone online. Snorting hydrocodone. Hydrocodone no prescription.