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Posted Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:34 PM

Down from the Tower - Super Delegates [response]

lacewellm

Marc,

You are undoubtedly prone to hyperbole. I have noticed that you can’t make it through a post without mocking Barack and his supporters. But it is hard to lose and I understand that you are a citizen of the hater nation. My sympathy extends to you.

That said, I appreciate that even you understand the deeply troubling possibility that super-delegates may try to steal this one for the Clintons. If HRC is handed the victory by super-delegates tied to her through old loyalties it will be just the same as W. being handed the presidency by his daddy’s Supreme Court appointees.

Enough already will climbing into the Oval office on the backs of daddies and husbands. How about winning by standing on the shoulders of an empowered, excited electorate?

Let me scare you just a little more about the dangers of a brokered nominee. Not only will John McCain beat Hillary Clinton like she stole something (like the nomination!); the Republicans will also sweep back into the House, the Senate and the state houses. Super-delegates choosing Hillary would mean a wave of disappointment and disaffection powerful enough to keep millions of Democrats home from the polls in November. If they stay home, the Party loses the White House, the Congress and the state houses, and some governors. With the 2010 census around the corner this means that we will lose the ability to control redrawing district lines for the next decade.

No exaggeration here. Super delegates have the power to destroy the Democratic Party.

Melissa

Melissa Harris-Lacewell is Associate Professor of Politics and African American Studies at Princeton University.

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Posted By: Jaz825 (February 14, 2008 at 2:04 PM)

Melissa,

Not to add more doom to the Armageddon scenario, but a Republican president will also add a few more ultra-conservative judges to the federal bench and Supreme Court.

-Ernest


Posted By: dafitchett (February 14, 2008 at 2:07 PM)

well said, melissa. scary business.


Posted By: Jaddadalos (February 14, 2008 at 4:19 PM)

A perspective I haven't considered... I'm anxious to see how this plays out.


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Posted By: Black Thought 08 (February 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM)

Melissa,

You are exactly right.  As a Obamican (republican supporting Obama) I agree with all your points 100%.  This is why I support Obama even though I don't agree with all of his policies I still support him because I believe he is a man of integrity, vision, and leadership.  He hasn't been in Washington long enough to have the "hope burned out of him yet".  He is very intelligent and I believe he will choose smart competant people for his administration.  His vision will lead America to be the shining city on the hill again not based only on military strength but moral leadership.  We all know that past Republican or Democrat administrations in this country have tried to impose internationalist corporate agendas versus US interests.  This is the change I hope he will bring, power to the people (small business and hard workers )not the powerful(corporate lobby & Special Interest).


Posted By: The Vernon (February 16, 2008 at 4:10 PM)

Melissa,

Thank you.  I am terrified at the prospect that HRC can "steal" this election with the help of super delegates.  While I fully respect our "media appointed" black leaders, I am disappointed that they lack foresight in blindly throwing their allegiance behind HRC.  Yes Bill was a good president but we need not feel indebted to him and vote for his wife.  

We must be more strategic and at times independent in our thinking.  I would hate to see what happens to those super delegates that vote for Hillary against the overwhelming will of the constituents in their district.  I hope they are prepared to throw in their own political careers.  If your constituents were smart enough to vote you in office then please take conscious consideration of their vote.  


Posted By: Robert (February 17, 2008 at 3:43 AM)

Which is why Barack brought the subject up. And it's not only the super-delegates, it's the Florida and Michigan non-delegates. Hopefully he will do well in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania and render the issue moot but if the delegate count and popular vote are still close at the end of the primary season public discussion of the role of the super-delegates makes it considerably less likely that the Clintons will try anything.

And the super-delegates are politicians. Their interests lay with a united party. Anything else would hand the election to the Republicans.  


Posted By: David Bohr (February 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM)

Super delegates are lobbyist

lobbyist

noun

someone who is employed to persuade legislators to vote for legislation that favors the lobbyist's employer  

Yep.  They're dangerous, and they're in the Clinton's pocket

This is reality show at it's best


Posted By: jstrick (February 19, 2008 at 11:50 AM)

ok, what if super delgates don't decide the nominee and Hillary just wins straight out? It seems to me people believe that the only way for Hillary to win is for super delegates so side with her and that's not the case. I was an Edwards supporter but I'm a bigger Democratic party supporter and the most important thing is to get a Democrat eleted whether it's Obama or Hillary. I don't care for this hater nation talk, all I care about is supporting the eventual nominee. I get the feeling from listening to Obama supporters that they will not support a Clinton presidency if she is the nominee and that I don't understand. You say that Mccain will beat Hillary? Well not if you throw the same support behind her but that's not going to happen will it? It seems to me that it is more important to elect Obama than it is to really elect a Democrat.


Posted By: David Bohr (February 21, 2008 at 9:58 AM)

That's right jstrict.  I believe that McCain will win against Clinton.  If Clinton is the nominee, I for one will not vote for her.  Not because she's a woman (now people are playing the sex card), but because she's a Clinton, and I do not want the Clinton's in the White House again.


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