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Posted Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:17 AM

PALIN AND HER CONVERSION POWERS

Keith Josef Adkins

 

Sarah Heath Palin

 

Is it me, or does the McCain/Palin campaign look more like some warped and demented cartoon?  First, the pregnant teen, then Palin's promise to help Special Needs families and now she advocates the conversion of gays through prayer and Jews to Jesus because Jews suffer from religious amnesia.  Wait, correction:  her church and pastor advocate for these conversions, Palin's just an obedient member of Wasillia Bible Church who has never said one contrary word about it or its associations.  

Now I didn't say much during the Reverend Wright and Obama controversy.  Although a bit grandiose in his delivery, it was clear Reverend Wright was speaking from a marginalized experience that has endured institutional racism and segregation and had a lot to say about it.  But the real issue was Obama's so-called tolerance of such so-called "horrid" information.  But this Palin and Reverend Kroone stuff sounds like an issue of folks believing they're moral surgeons, ready to do spiritual surgery on the wicked, you know, in the name of God.  I want to laugh, but this is serious.

First off, let me just say, the idea of "converting" someone's primal desire is ludicrous [and hey, I'm no psychotherapist, but I'll step out a limb here and I say it's humanly impossible].  A person can certainly choose the type of life they prefer, or who they prefer in their life, but to convert what's primal or emotional, is insane.  That's like converting a dog to a cat.  You can switch up the dog's food, but you can't change the dog.

Secondly,  where is it written that Jesus Christ MUST BE the messiah for everyone? OR... if not, those non-believers are destined for a meaningless, immoral life?  And here's something revolutionary! There are actually Jews who are okay with not believing Jesus was their personal savior, AND there are some Jews who don't believe anything.  And here's something even more radical:  why do these conversion-seekers care?  Why can't they turn that moral finger back toward themselves and let their religious/spiritual life be a personal one?  And I'm not just talking about those who attempt to convert, I'm also talking about those who sit in these circles and encourage the audacity. 

I look forward to hearing Palin defend her church and this unfortunate relapse in humanity.  If she doesn't, well, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.   Ultimately, if McCain is elected and she becomes the VP it's highly likely she could quickly become president [come on, we're all thinking it] and I'm cool about the Special Needs crusade, but the rest of the 2000 year old moral rubbish she can keep locked away in Wasilla land. 

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Posted By: Julia Fleischner (September 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM)

You hit it right on, every time!  I have been printing out your SP columns and reading them before bed. My husband says the bed shakes because I am laughing so hard. Laughing, but still realizing that this woman is a SCARY individual.


Posted By: DrewReason (September 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM)

My facebook tagline:  "My Labrador Retriever does not wear lipstick, but she probably should. "

Palin certainly got away with marginalizing the African American experience in her speech last week.   Because I live in a blood read state, part of me thinks she will be embraced wholly for (further) marginalizing gays

I will be surprised if McCain and company win this year. I don't really look forward to his dawg's  media appearances.  She seems so ignorant and insular, I have little faith that she'd seriously care or even consider that her church or its positions could possibly offend others.

I don't give her props as a special needs advocate because her special needs child is a baby, versus a 5 year old beginning kindergarten, or a teenager in high school.  She's a neo in that area and touting a cause that she hasn't even partially experienced; her child is only a few months

If this woman did not scare me, I would not be so cynical


Posted By: DrewReason (September 7, 2008 at 11:44 PM)

that should be "blood red"  state.


Posted By: SilenceISGolden (September 8, 2008 at 6:55 AM)

Please check your voter registration status...

I'm registered independent.... got a call from a poll a month ago.

I checked my status today.... no record.

Florida/Ohio anyone?  Voter suppression?

https://www.voteforchange.com/

takes 5 min. maxs


Posted By: ch555x (September 8, 2008 at 9:21 AM)

This article reads like one of those satires of conservative politics on a grandiose scale...only its about ACTUAL people...WOW!  Keep Palin and the rest of the BS "christian-conservative" value cheerleaders away from the executive branch.  


Posted By: Keith Josef Adkins (September 8, 2008 at 11:51 AM)

JULIA FLEISCHNER...

Thanks for  the love!


Posted By: Nicci Morris King (September 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM)

Hey, all...

Re:

"Secondly,  where is it written that Jesus Christ MUST BE the messiah for everyone? OR... if not, those non-believers are destined for a meaningless, immoral life?"

Well, ask any Bible-thumpers and they'll tell you it says in the Good Book. I, however, keep in mind that the Bible was written by human beings, and then, more importantly, translated by human beings. Who can say what creative liberties could have been taken, according to who was in power and what was going on during that time? Hence, the many translations of the Bible still floating about.

As smart as I am, I also realize that my mind is finite. I don't believe it is possible for me to ever fully understand the infinite wisdom of a God/force/power that can create DNA, for example. Nor do I think that a Creator would only be revealed to certain people in certain ways. Such thinking falls right in line with people who think they are better than someone else simply because they were born in the United States, or because they are black... or because they are white... or because they have a penis... or because they are heterosexual... As IF they had a thing to do with any of that.

I think people should believe what they believe. But why must everyone who believes otherwise be less-than in your eyes?

OK. Stepping down off this here soapbox... for now.


Posted By: watcher (September 9, 2008 at 12:24 AM)

If you knew that someone was going to drink poison that was going to kill them would you not say anything or try to warn them about it? What if by you warning them they looked at you and said "How dare you try to keep me from quenching my thirst!". God is real and there is only one way to Him and that's through Christ. He said it Himself when He said "I am the way, the truth and the life and nobody comes to the Father except through me". We do have a narrow view and a narrow message because the way is narrow. Many of you have thoughts pouring into your mind about how judgmental or mean that sounds. Keep this in mind though, I KNOW your this close to drinking poison and you think I'm trying to keep you from quenching your thirst. I wish everyone would come to know His grace and mercy but many reject Him. Before I had a personal relationship with Christ I didn't want anything to do with Him. He sounded like a good guy but I wanted something more, something different, besides church folk were just plain mean. It took me a while and a lot of hardship but after I gave my heart to Him (meaning I accepted the fact that He was who He said He was, Believed that He paid the price for my sins {and yes I sinned, people sin, even you.} and confessed my sins to Him asking Him to forgive me for my sins and to come into my life) the blindness was taken away. I did this with sincerity and faith and with His help turned away from the sinful habits and lifestyle I was living in. Until that blindness is gone you will see things the way Satan and the hosts of Hell wish you too see, nothing at all until it's too late.

Think about this:

If I'm wrong and there are many ways to God or no God at all then I spend my life believing in fairy tales.

If your wrong then this life is the best that you will ever have and you will spend an eternity separated from the goodness of God in an eternal Hell of torment without end.

BTW God doesn't send people to Hell, the reason why Jesus came was to seek and save the lost.


Posted By: bigbill (September 9, 2008 at 8:36 AM)

So Sarah Palin thinks homosexuality is wrong and we ought to pray for homosexuals to see and act right.  And this is a problem how again? Sir, you just dissed millions of black folks in America, and tens of millions (if not hundreds) in Africa who agree completely with her. You need to get out of Hollywood and into the community once in a while. Take a little poll.

White Episcopal folks in America are lining up, signing up, by the tens of thousands to follow a black man, Bishop Akinola, or the African Episcopal Church because he, lie most black preachers,  keeps that ***/Gay/Bisexual/Transsexual nonsense out of their church and hasn't been swayed by the love-anything-thats-gay disease.

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Now we know you probably wouldn't have gotten this gig at a white folk's rag like Slate unless you fell into line with the white folks gay theology, bu you don't have to go dissing the black and white church ladies out here in the real America and Africa who still think it is silly (at best) .  Don't forget your roots out there in Hollywood.


Posted By: Nicci Morris King (September 9, 2008 at 10:53 AM)

Re:

"Think about this:

If I'm wrong and there are many ways to God or no God at all then I spend my life believing in fairy tales.

If your wrong then this life is the best that you will ever have and you will spend an eternity separated from the goodness of God in an eternal Hell of torment without end.

Huh? I, for one, don't consider the belief in Jesus Christ to be a "fairy tale." I believe that God (or whatever manmade word you prefer) is revealed to different people in different ways. I was raised up in the church, attended Christian schools, and was "saved" and baptized when I was 20. But there were lots of questions that never left me. Namely this: Imagine, if you will, there is someone living a life that is, for all intents and purposes, as righteous as a devout Christian is. He does unto others as he would have done unto him. He loves his brother. Respects his mother and father. Lives a good life and repents for his sins. But because he was born into a culture that does not revolve around Judeo-Christian philosophy, you're saying your God would cast him out of heaven? Even though he lived his life as he "should"? And if, say, a 7-year-old little girl who is raised Buddhist and never hears or reads about Jesus Christ gets ill and dies, she goes to hell?

I asked a pastor questions such as these years ago and I was told that yes, indeed, those people would live in eternal damnation. I haven't been back to that church since.

Just as you believe in your heart that the Bible is the only way, I believe that God is way bigger than any man who ever wrote or translated any Biblical texts from scrolls to the mass printing press operations of today.


Posted By: watcher (September 9, 2008 at 7:00 PM)

1. From Nicci:

"Imagine, if you will, there is someone living a life that is, for all intents and purposes, as righteous as a devout Christian is. He does unto others as he would have done unto him. He loves his brother. Respects his mother and father. Lives a good life and repents for his sins. But because he was born into a culture that does not revolve around Judeo-Christian philosophy, you're saying your God would cast him out of heaven? Even though he lived his life as he "should"? And if, say, a 7-year-old little girl who is raised Buddhist and never hears or reads about Jesus Christ gets ill and dies, she goes to hell?"

God's word addresses this issue

Romans 2:12-16 NIV

[12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's site, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.]

The message explains it more clearly.

[If you sin without knowing what you're doing God takes that into account. But if you sin knowing full well what you're doing, that's a different story entirely. Merely hearing God's law is a waste of your time if you don't do what He commands. Doing, not hearing, is what makes the differance with God.

When outsiders who have never heard of God's law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God's law is not something alien, imposing on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God's yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God's yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.]

Note: The Message is translated more towards todays speech, the differance between saying "come hitherto" to saying "come here".

For those that never hear of Christ they will be judged by what they have done with what they do know and the law that's written on thier hearts. Christ will judge everyone, [Their response to God's yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman.] pretty much sums it up.

2. From Nicci

"I asked a pastor questions such as these years ago and I was told that yes, indeed, those people would live in eternal damnation. I haven't been back to that church since. "

Sounds like this pastor needs to read his bible more. Just becuase someone is ordained by men or holds a masters degree (or doctorate) in divinity doesn't mean he is right or even a true follower of Christ. The pharisees and sadducees were the religious leaders of their time and they crucified the Christ. It is God who calls and annoits someone, not man.

3. From Nicci:

"Just as you believe in your heart that the Bible is the only way, I believe that God is way bigger than any man who ever wrote or translated any Biblical texts from scrolls to the mass printing press operations of today."

Jesus is the only way. The Bible is His message to us and 2 Timothy 3:16 states that [All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in rightenous.] God watches over His Word and God is big enough to ensure His message gets to man. The argument that the meaning has been lost through time and translations use to be a big point of discussion. Until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. There were about 1000 documents found around the middle of the 20th century and they are pretty much the only known copies from what we now call the Bible that were made before 100AD. They compaired them to our modern day Bibles and they matched.

We all have questions, that's normal. There are a lot of arguments though, ideas and questions that man cannot answer. Things like "Can God make a rock so big He can't move it, and if He can't move it then is He God?" and similiar nonsense like that. There comes a point where a person will have to take God at His word and take a leap of Faith and Trust. Most of the people that outright reject God will try to find any argument no matter how flimsy to deny who He is or what He has said and are just trying to find an excuse to not believe. This is called being stiff necked and hardening their heart. God's Word tells us that men (and women) loved darkness more then light becuase their deeds were evil, evil by God's judgement and in the end His opinion is all that really matters. If people accept God then they must turn away from their sin and many are unwilling to do that. So they will find any excuse not to believe and put more faith in their excuses then they ever will in God. The only problem is that they are building their life on sand and when the very things they've built their lifes upon crumbles and proves false everything will come crashing down and they will be forever lost. That's why people like me who know Christ and are truly His continue to warn and tell people of His truth even though it gets us labeled as intolerant or narrow-minded. If we really believe that people are going to Hell en mass and don't say anything what would we be then? I care more about helping one person avoid going out into a Christless eternity then offending 6 billion and I hope Sarah Palin does also.


Posted By: crazychick1412 (September 10, 2008 at 4:47 AM)

You know, unless you live under a rock somewhere and obviously you don't if you are reading this, information on God, Jesus and countless other religions are available upon request.  So if people want to know Jesus, they can certainly find it out for themselves and make their own interpretations of the Bible and how to live without people telling them what God's word is.  I am still looking for a single human who is actually qualified to tell me what that Bible means better than I can read it myself.  How arrogant are people that they don't know anything about history, science, geography, mathematics, law, medicine, etc., but they think they are infinitely qualified to tell me about God!  I have my own relationship with God, thank you very much and He and I are on good terms.  I don't need smug and superior people to tell me how to live!


Posted By: stevebiko (September 10, 2008 at 6:05 AM)

Keith....forgive me if I am wrong. I just received an email with a list of books that palin attempted to boycott from the library in wasilla when she was mayor. The email states that the list is in the official minutes of the wasilla library board. Among the long list are works such as the color purple and the grapes of wrath. Please keep me honest and forgive me if it is last weeks news, as I'm in Tasmania and the wifi isn't great.


Posted By: Keith Josef Adkins (September 10, 2008 at 6:50 AM)

STEVEBIKO... Hey there.

I've certainly heard about Palin and the book ban controversy.  But apparently, she only questioned the librarian on how to go about banning books.  And apparently she questioned her several times. [That's the clean version].  The real and dirty version is she wanted to ban some books and attempted to fire the librarian when that woman refused to help her.

I recently read a comment on a blog from a citizen of Wasilla who spills the beans about EVERYTHING.

Interesting read.  I'll attach the post.  Once you're there, scroll down to the third comment under the post.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2008/09/sarah-palin-ban.html


Posted By: MsX (September 11, 2008 at 2:20 PM)

That woman will be a nightmare for us all.... Did anyone see the picture of her posing in her American Flag bikini with her rifle??? Watch out black folks.. she is not going to play the 3 strikes you are out deal.. she is going to bypass jail and get rid of us execution style!!! It will be back to the days when BLACKS were hunted and killed like wild animals!!! GET RID OF BOTH OF THEM - IT IS INDEED TIME FOR A CHANGE!!! O-BAM-A!!!


Posted By: Peter&mary (September 11, 2008 at 3:50 PM)

The Bikini and gun picture was a photoshop fraud - debunked just a few hours after it first surfaced, but several news outlets, inlcuding CNN treated it as legit...


Posted By: stevebiko (September 13, 2008 at 9:46 PM)

good looking out keith. thanks for clearing it up. and i read the homemaker's posting. i'll be sure to share this with others. while here in australia, i've learned that it's a compulsory (spelling?) voting system. and it's driving the aussie's nuts that we don't have it over in the states. they're watching closely down under.


Posted By: dori (September 15, 2008 at 9:33 AM)

As a woman, I'd like to say she's embarrassing women-kind, and screwing it up for the rest of us. I cringed thru her entire interview.  Is she SERIOUS!?!  But at least I'm trying..............I'm really trying HARD to hear what she is bringing to the table.  McCain, I just have to toss up my hands. Nine homes, and he's calling a man raised by a single mother an elite-ist?  


Posted By: meverett2 (October 13, 2008 at 4:18 PM)

         As the grand-daughter, of an ex-slave, and one, who suffered the degradation, of bigotry,

 segregation, and lack of opportunity, before the passing of the Civil Rights Bill, I am, happily

 surprised,but frightened, by Senator Obama`s fight for president.  

       In the minds, of some,remain the mentality, of hatred, and fear, of a Black man.  Win are

 lose, we are making history.... However,  if there is a loss, it will be that of the American people,

not Senator Obama.


Posted By: meverett2 (October 13, 2008 at 4:18 PM)

         As the grand-daughter, of an ex-slave, and one, who suffered the degradation, of bigotry,

 segregation, and lack of opportunity, before the passing of the Civil Rights Bill, I am, happily

 surprised,but frightened, by Senator Obama`s fight for president.  

       In the minds, of some,remain the mentality, of hatred, and fear, of a Black man.  Win are

 lose, we are making history.... However,  if there is a loss, it will be that of the American people,

not Senator Obama.


Posted By: meverett2 (October 13, 2008 at 4:25 PM)

         As the grand-daughter, of an ex-slave, and one, who suffered the degradation, of bigotry,

 segregation, and lack of opportunity, before the passing of the Civil Rights Bill, I am, happily

 surprised,but frightened, by Senator Obama`s fight for president.  

       In the minds, of some,remain the mentality, of hatred, and fear, of a Black man.  Win are

 lose, we are making history.... However,  if there is a loss, it will be that of the American people,

not Senator Obama.