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Posted Friday, August 01, 2008 1:26 PM

GAY OR NOT. A FIGHT'S A FIGHT.

Keith Josef Adkins

Last night I was coming home late from a Me'Shell Ndegeocello concert [and can I just sidebar and say that woman is one the best musicians we have on the planet right now].  Anyway, it was around 1:30 am and I was waiting for the B26 to whisk me away because I was dead tired. However, there was some commotion on the corner:  five or six women were in SERIOUS disagreement over clothes or shoes.  One of the women demanded another to just take it off.  To take off all of her... stuff.  Well, she did.  She snatched off shoes, socks, pants and backpack and made this gesture of "now what?".  Apparently, her goods were the goods of the other woman.  Well, the relinquishing of clothes wasn't enough.  All six of the women seemed to get more agitated.  They began cursing at each other.  Pushing.  At one point someone told another to... well, in order not to get censored here on TheRoot, I'll just say men say it a lot [and yes, it has everything to do with an appendage].  

I guess I should mention the women were sapphic [lesbians].  I only knew that because four of them were obviously partnered with one another.   Anyway, the disrobed woman was screaming for the aggressive one to leave her alone.  She wouldn't.  The two women were ready to fight.  And by the tone of their anger I would not have been surprised if someone pulled out a gun.  It was THAT volatile.  I wanted to do something.   I looked around for the NYPD.  They were loitering a block away and had to hear the fevered commotion.  They didn't show up.  No one at the bus stop said anything either.  And there were at least nine of us.  All black and varying ages. 

I'm lying.  A few things were said.  One twenty-something woman [on her cell] told her concerned listener not to worry because "it was just some crazy dykes".  An older man had this bizarre grin on his face, as if the womens' rage was so ridiculous it was laughable.  A car pulled up at the traffic light, the passenger rolled down a window and yelled out:  "Beat some a**!"  He repeated it three times before driving off.  

The bus arrived quickly after the car drove away and the women ended the fight and dispersed.  I assumed a peacemaker within their group shut it down, or the police were in eye-shot.   Maybe a bit of both.  However, when I sat down on the bus, people were still feeling entertained by the sapphic violence.  There were snickers, giggles, someone eagerly opened a bus window to make sure he didn't miss any further developments.

Homophobia plagues our community, yes, just like A.I.D.S., and the refusal to discuss A.I.D.S and its impact on our youth and WOMEN.  None of this is news, I know I know.  I guess I was just feeling so inspired by the courageous humanity at Me'Shell's concert and the varying types who gather to hear her soulful siren, but then disheartened when lesbians in conflict become sideshow for black people at a bus stop.   

Here's my question:  Do we quickly dismiss the goings-on of some people within our communities because they're gay, women, or gay and women?  [Personally, I've never seen a communal dismissal when men fight or "straight" men fight.]  Are we guilty of empowering ourselves with a temporary self-righteousness when the "other" shows its immoral face and we laugh off "the crazy" in order not to take it seriously? 

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Posted By: marciamarciamarcia (August 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM)

Would it have been any different if they'd been ostensibly straight females?  I can just hear that chick on the phone now: "Girl, it's just some crazy [insert "bitches" "tricks" or "hoes"].  Ignant fools showin' their proverbial asses on a street corner IS a sideshow, gay or not.  

    Every dismissive epithet isn't signifying homophobia.  Black becomes "***", men become "muhfuckas", and white chicks become "crazy bitches".  When you lower yourself with your behavior, folks tend to use insulting shorthand to refer to you.  Sorry that Ndegeocello vibe didn't last til you got to the street corner.  She's awesome.


Posted By: soulful (August 2, 2008 at 9:04 AM)

Exactly. Anyone who puts themselves out there in public with obnoxious behavior has given the rest of us tickets to the show... could have been any groups of people.


Posted By: Catch (August 2, 2008 at 11:34 AM)

"It was THAT volatile.  I wanted to do something."

Why didn't you do anything?


Posted By: The Uppity Negro (August 2, 2008 at 1:13 PM)

I think we need to redefine some of these words, homophobia is one of them.  The suffix "-phobia" denotes "fear", ergo fear of that which is the same (well, isn't that an interesting translation, lol) but of course we've really shortened homosexualphobia to just homophobia.  In circa 2008, I think that there's much less fear of gay people as there is ignorance of gay culture, or perhaps outright distaste depending on the person.

I'm siding that much of what is ignorance get mistaken for fear.

And yes, as a black person who has taken public transportation more than once in my life, anything, black, white, green or yellow would have been fodder for a slideshow.  OMG, the stories I had from taking the bus and the train.


Posted By: DrewReason (August 2, 2008 at 9:16 PM)

I think that is so uncomfortable that the only way to work through it is to diminish the people involved.  

If it had been a man and woman however, I think folks would have dialed the cops, and maybe even held the bus.  

I do agree that  people, ie. family members, are dismissive when homosexuals are hurting due to breakup, relationship problems etc..  When a heterosexual is hurting, they'd offer therapy, support, etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,doesn't work in reverse too much.  

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Posted By: Freeze Tag (August 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM)

I have to agree with Marciamarciamarcia and Soulful on this one. Obnoxious behavior is free entertainment and gives onlookers free license to sit in judgement of it. Those women could have handled themselves with a little restraint and self respect and resolved their issue without attracting an audience. They chose to be spectacles, maybe even liked the attention, and probably haven't thought another thing about it since.


Posted By: Tampa Diva (August 4, 2008 at 8:43 AM)

Anyone who went to a public high school will tell you that girl fights are entertaining (notice the dialouge and backstory you got from just a few minutes) and attract attention from a number of people. The fact that they were lesbians was just a minor detail. Yes if they were men, folks wouldn't be standing around or laughing because to many people there is a fear that the males would pull out weapons etc.  People are amused by fights when there is a percieved lack of danger to the observers.

On that note, people use negative terms to describe people who are behaving in a negative way. Not trying to excuse the slura that were used but if they were fat, they would have been "crazy fat a**es"  etc. it's not nice but that's just how it is.


Posted By: Abriel (August 4, 2008 at 11:46 PM)

never get involved, calling the police is all we can do...as for borrowing cloths, my mom actually used to say " if you borrow someones cloths be prepared to walk home naked "..it sounds better in my mother tongue.


Posted By: miss lauren (August 5, 2008 at 11:09 AM)

not just black culture, but american culture doesnt care if women fight except to watch, they also dont care about gay fights. people only think that straight men are capable of doing violence to each other when in reality all ar capable of it. disgusting, especially the inaction of the police in that situation.


Posted By: nola_diva (August 5, 2008 at 1:38 PM)

So why didn't YOU get involved?  You were there with the rest of the spectators, right?


Posted By: Keith Josef Adkins (August 5, 2008 at 2:32 PM)

NOLA_DIVA and CATCH... good question.

The truth is I was monitoring the incident at first. To see what was really going on. At first, I thought it was a group of friends talking loud [and most likely drunk]. Then it was clear it was a serious conflict.  I assumed the police that I saw when leaving the subway could hear the commotion and there was no doubt in my mind that they would come and do something. When I realized they weren't coming  and the women were taking swings I started to make my move and walk over to the police [they were literally a block away]. But then the bus rolled up and the fighters dispersed. [Maybe from their vantage point they saw the police coming. I don't know].


Posted By: duafeny (August 5, 2008 at 9:10 PM)

I understand where you are coming from, however, I think that most of the comments are accurate in saying that it was a fight, regardless. If it were a man and a woman arguing, I believe the incident would have received the same sentiments from people. The thing is, they ( according to what you wrote) were giving quite a show. Now, there is no denial that homophobia is alive, kicking and accepted in our community, the example that you gave us, Kevin isn't a good one to bring up the issue...sorry.


Posted By: robin85 (August 6, 2008 at 4:41 AM)

I think the fact that they were women did make a difference in the reactions towards their conflict. If it had been men, especially BLACK men, the police probably would've come right over and arrested them, but since they were JUST WOMEN, it wasn't taken very seriously. If they were somehow obviously homosexual like you said, which for some reason I'm finding difficult to imagine at the moment, then that's probably why they were so completely dismissed. On the same note, I think a group of "flaming" homosexual men would have been just as easily dismissed.

Women just don't get any respect when it comes to physical fighting. Women boxers are considered laughable just as are men who are victims of spousal abuse.


Posted By: ch555x (August 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM)

ROFL!!!


Posted By: musa1 (August 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM)

As your title says, a fight is a fight. You found the fight rather agitating. Did you call the police? Did you signal them? They were around the corner. You could have interevened if you dared to but that might have drastically shortrned your life expectancy. So you did just like most people do. You left. It is not that people are in denial. They are just not concerned. Truth be told the fight probably provided a welcome distraction from their own daily grind.


Posted By: befree1619 (August 7, 2008 at 2:15 PM)

If you said it was that bad a gun could come into play, I wouldn't jump in either.